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where to live and shoot?
« on: November 16, 2016, 10:04:26 pm »
I live close to Seattle, across the sound. With the recent influx of leftists and BIG MONEY , the political structure (and gun control measures) are getting closer to Californians every year. Gone are the days when we could go up into the clearcuts and shoot.  After the elections, even my moderate wife is ready to move, after hearing the insane meltdowns on social media.

 I am too old to handle a severe winter like eastern Montana or Wyoming.  I don't want to live in a place it is hard to get water, and I don't like high humidity. Four seasons is fine, snow is fine, just not 4 months of sub zero cold.
 
 I have considered Idaho, on the west side around the Palouse, Arizona, up on the mogollon rim, Texas, in the hill country, and parts of the southern Appalachians, North Carolina, etc. 

 I do not want to move to a state that is surrounded , like Maine, or behind the lines, like new Jersey or NY. Or now CO or WA.... :( 
Also a big plus if it does not have a Initiative process, as that is how Washington is slipping into the abyss- big out of state money plus popular vote = any damned thing they want to push through.
 
 Work is not a concern , I am self employed and crate and ship our product. Any place a freight truck goes is fine.
  You folks have any suggestions of interesting info? Love to hear it. I need about 5-40 acres, a small house and a big shop. Or can build.

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 10:32:10 pm »
    Prescott, AZ is about as gun-friendly as a place gets, and there is no shortage of places to shoot.


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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 10:56:17 pm »
    How far do you want to live outside town?   You can find something like that fairly cheap in Kansas,  but you might have to drive an hour or two to get to the big city.   

    This place here seems pretty nice.  Medium sized house on 14 acres for $87.5k.   Only downside is that is out by Sedan (pop 1124),  so that's an hour drive to a decent sized town, 2 hours to Wichita.   

    http://www.landandfarm.com/property/RL3059-3303369/

    If you are able to unload your old place to some of those big money idiots for a few hundred K,  you could buy a very nice new house and a hundred acres here easily. 
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 11:50:10 pm »
    Prescott, AZ is about as gun-friendly as a place gets, and there is no shortage of places to shoot.
    Pretty sure he is after a bit more in the way of water availability.

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 11:58:51 pm »
    I live in Western PA, and while we currently meet all of your asking points, I am a bit concerned with the direction our demographics are going.  We have more registered democrats than republicans, but our districts are thoroughly gerrymandered, giving the GOP a big majority in our legislature.  After the 2020 census...  I am not too thrilled to think about how things will look.

    Ohio, to our west, is... different.  So are the people.  I would not want to live in Ohio for any reason.  Maybe Indiana, to the west of that?  Very conservative, and the same latitude as Pennsylvania.  The thing is, I don't know just how easy it will be to find a place on the back 40 to shoot.  If you really want to get away from people, go south to Kentucky. 

    If you want local references, try Sarge712 in Western NC, or Bud in Missouri.  They may be able to give advice and feedback on their own areas.

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 02:37:52 am »
    Oklahoma is cheap to live in, and it has many places to shoot. You can live out in west OK with the flat plains, or you can head back to eastern OK and live in the southern pine forest. Hunting here is amazing, and there are many lakes/rivers/streams to fish.

    Only one issue, Kansas sucks and Texas blows so we get a steady wind from the south. They switch during winter tho so we get northern breezes.  :cool
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 03:25:32 am »
    It's not hard to get water in Prescott. I second it.

    Payson is in rim country.  there are a bunch of smaller towns northeast of Payson to look at.


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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 08:46:22 am »
    Hey,  Kansas is equidistant from some of the best fishing in the world.   :neener



    Pretty sure he is after a bit more in the way of water availability.
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 09:06:09 am »
    Sounds like you like the mountains or close to them. Don't have any here in Mississippi, but we are the epicenter of "Red State" America and very 2A friendly, open carry, "shall issue" concealed carry" and low cost of living.  Acreage is plentiful and reasonably priced.  Most of the state is rural.  Any Deep South state will be comparable.  I live in the southern part of the state, one hour from downtown New Orleans.  I have 20 acres surrounded by other similar properties.  Many of us own horses.   Water is plentiful. I have my own deep well with really good water.  Enough land for my own 100 yard range and a nice free public range down the road a bit for shooting out to 500.  I'm about 5 miles away from I-10.

    For mountain living, try East Tennessee or West North Carolina.
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 09:09:16 am »
    If you weren't offended by high humidity (and the fact that we're in the middle of our second drought in 10 years*), I would recommend Georgia...





    *Damn weird combination, that.  We've had no serious rain in 2 months or so, but back during the summer, the air was thick enough to swim through...

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 09:59:46 am »
    Yeah, and you need to remember that some winters,  there is only a barb wire fence between Canada and the Gulf of Mexico,  and someone left the gate open. 



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    Only one issue, Kansas sucks and Texas blows so we get a steady wind from the south. They switch during winter tho so we get northern breezes.  :cool
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 11:02:36 am »
    I am in McDonald County in the far southwestern corner of Missouri. McDonald County is considered the 'poorest' County in Missouri, but we are only five miles north of Arkansas and fast becoming the metroplex that is Bentonville-Rogers-Fayetteville and only 15 miles east of the Oklahoma line. We sit on what is considered the Springfield plateau of the Ozarks.

    Remember the Lil Abner cartoon strip? It was located here and they (or their close kin) still live here.

    There are some really good points to mention and also many really bad points to acknowledge. We paid $64,000 for our three bedroom home and it sits on just over five acres of land. It is half lawn (former pasture) and half hard woods primarily white oak and black walnut. I have a 30x40 pole shop and have started to finish my half acre pond. Yearly property tax is $296. There is also a personal property tax on vehicles and toys but I haven't received my first bill on those yet so the cost is unknown. I could legally shoot deer from my front porch and they are there every day. I have also seen (and fired on) coyotes, had one Bobcat casually stroll across the yard and driving my two Jack Russell terrorists insane, and plenty of Armadillos and Copperheads although I have been making steady progress eliminating both using CCI MiniMags and a Ruger 10/22 or an S&W M&P .22 compact.

    I have a 75 yard range behind the shop building and I constructed the three sided berm back stop with my Mahindra tractor and I shoot there almost every day. We do not have mosquitoes but ticks and chiggers abound.  Gas is cheap (currently at $1.72) as are sales tax here in McDonald County at 6.25% (but across the AR line in Benton County sales tax is 10.25%!!!!!)
    Some downsides include the fact that neither MO or AR requires any form of drivers education. This makes every drive away from home a challenge. All drivers are extremely aggressive.  Vehicle crashes here are often spectacular due to the effects of speed. There is no zoning or building inspection in most of unincorporated Missouri. That leads to some truly magnificent properties being located next door to Ma and Pa Yokum's squalor.

    I like it here but using local workmen is often a challenge. For instance, making an appointment with a local contractor for a set time and date often leads to call backs ending with the contractor saying, "You mean you meant this Tuesday at 10:00?". We have learned that a specific date and time is normally an abstract concept.

    We did shop around a lot before moving here. We settled here because the weather while very hot in the summer it is also very mild in the winter. Snow usually lasts hours not days. That's good because the AR and MO DoTs have very few snow removal trucks and a one inch snowfall is deemed a natural disaster with schools being closed for days afterward.

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 11:44:54 am »
    I'm going to plug Utah.  I can help you find a home as a Realtor.

    But in Utah, there are two main areas.  Wasatch Front, meaning Salt Lake City to Provo.  Only downside is that you will get some snow and winters will usually have a low of 20 degrees.  Sometimes early mornings might be as low as 12-13 degrees.  Lots of places to shoot in Utah and if you're wanting the 5-40 acres, you'll probably want the southern part of Utah county where there is some farmland or you might want more of the West Desert area partially near the salt flats.

    However I really think you might like St. George or Cedar City area in the southern area of Utah.  You'd be about 2 hours from Las Vegas, 4 hours from Salt Lake City, and you would also be relatively close to Lake Powell and Lake Havasu.  It doesn't get very cold, maybe low 50's but it will get up to 110 and maybe more during the summer.  Low humidity and Air Conditioning solves all of the heat problems.  For shipping, a lot of stuff goes through St. George because of it's positioning.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 01:38:19 pm »
    I have to agree about the St. George area but you left out one thing.........it is freaking beautiful


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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 01:48:30 pm »
    May be drier than you need, though... Why the specification of water, though?

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 03:09:27 pm »
    I'm just north of Seattle and I will be following this closely for all the reasons you mentioned. :)
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #16 on: November 17, 2016, 03:10:29 pm »
    The southern Appalachians in western NC is a great place. It's relatively safe and low crime and the culture is warm and old fashioned in a good way. However, land prices are out the roof. And good land for shooting at any longer distances is rare. My favorite areas are Haywood county (Waynesville) and Cherokee county (Murphy). I'd also recommend Estern Tennessee around Sevierville and up toward Greeneville and Bristol. I also like north Georgia around Clayton in the Rabun county area. All are in the mountains and rolling hills areas of the southern Appalachians. 

    My oldest son and oldest daughter, like I and many of us locals did in our younger days, both couldn't wait to get the hell out of here when they went off into the service and college. Now they can't wait to get back and never leave.

    Ironically. My son is stationed near you in Bangor, WA, and while he loves his job, he hates Seattle etc. for all the reasons you stated and more. He turned out right I must say.

    Weather wise its humid in the summers and gets to the high 80's usually and maybe low 90's on occasion. Winters get down to the 20's and at times in the teens over night. The snow is a problem in the steeper regions. It seems the roads are planned and built for tourists in mind and not for winter driving so there are a lot of slipping and sliding when you least expect it. The mountains cool off nicely in the summer evenings though and are our version of heaven year 'round.
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #17 on: November 17, 2016, 03:53:16 pm »
    Pretty sure he is after a bit more in the way of water availability.

    The city has municipal water. Lots of people outside the city limits have good wells.

    Areas to the north like Ash Fork do have water issues (ie, there is none. It all has to be trucked in).
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 08:59:24 pm »

    Although I love the culture, the humidity in the southeast would be very hard for me to take. Western NC would probably be fine, I do love the nature of the terrain and the mix of hardwoods -very much like where I grew up in CT and VT and NH. 
     Thank you all for your considered replies, I am all ears, so to speak!

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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 09:28:44 pm »
    I'm pretty surprised no one has mentioned Texas yet  :shrug.

    I don't have much to say about it. Good weather and political climate. It gets colder and snowier than you would think in the northern part of the state and we have pines, sand, and thick shrubbery in the east.

    The only reason I want to leave it is because I want to see more of the U.S. I've only ever been here.
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    Re: where to live and shoot?
    « Reply #20 on: November 19, 2016, 01:14:57 am »
    I would second the idea of Mississippi.  If you have never spent any time there it is a lovely place.  Mrs. c and I toyed with the idea of retiring there - specifically in the area around Corinth in the northern part of the state.  Its hot in the summer but the winters are gorgeous.  Southern culture really kind of grows on you. 

    If the humidity of the southeast is a problem Texas might be an option.  Once you get out of the big piney woods over by Louisiana and away from the Gulf of Mexico and Houston, the rest of the state is a good bit drier.  Lots of big lonesome country out in the Big Bend area and not many folks out that way would object to you setting up an impromptu range out in the desert. 

    Most people overlook the Great Basin ( and have done so for 150 years or so ).   It encompasses southwest Idaho, southeast Oregon, northern Nevada and western Utah.  Awesome country.   Its a dry climate but rivers run through it and there is some snowfall in the winter and most of it would be considered pretty gun friendly.  BLM land is plentiful so finding places to shoot is not generally a problem.

    Indiana was mentioned and if I were going to live anywhere in the midwest it would be there.  Particularly in the southern part of the state within 60 miles or so of the Ohio river.  Beautiful, rolling countryside for the most part and a temperate four season climate.  Generally gun friendly but open land to shoot on is not plentiful. 

    Arizona is great if you like hot, dry and rocks.  We do that sh&t like nobody's business.   :cool   Very gun friendly and maybe the only place in the country where you can take a selfie next to a giant saguaro cactus that weighs more than your car.  Avoid Phoenix and Tucson at all costs - the rest of it is pretty OK. 
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