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Springfield Saint
« on: November 02, 2016, 11:44:44 am »
I was reading George's take on the Springfield Saint.  What would Springfield want to jump into the AR game?  It seems so crowded but from a business standpoint, unless they are doing something particularly awesome, it's just another AR.  Looking at the picture of one, I wouldn't know who made it.


An MSRP of $900 I guess isn't bad.  I would have more confidence in this as compared to some of the other brands.


http://www.springfield-armory.com/saint-series/

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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 12:02:30 pm »
    I will be honest.  I can't see what is better about this vs the Anderson Lower + Mil spec lower build kit and 16" PSA Freedom Upper my son just finished.  For under $500.  The trigger is the only item I see here that is a real "upgrade" from mil spec.

    Maybe I need to hold one. 

    Don't get me wrong.  Solid rifle.  Comparable to the other name brand stuff in that price range.  But I see nothing earth shattering here.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 12:50:10 pm »
    I think they are a bit too late to the game to make a lot of money on this. It's nice that they are making an AR, but everybody has been for a while now.

    I thought they were coming out with something new and cool, but it's basically the same as everyone else.
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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 12:56:45 pm »
    It's got kind of an interesting hand guard, I guess. And the upgraded trigger is nice in an entry level rifle.  :shrug

    For the most part, it doesn't strike me as being $400 better than a PSA kit build.
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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 01:15:24 pm »
    I will be honest.  I can't see what is better about this vs the Anderson Lower + Mil spec lower build kit and 16" PSA Freedom Upper my son just finished.  For under $500.  The trigger is the only item I see here that is a real "upgrade" from mil spec.

    Maybe I need to hold one. 

    Don't get me wrong.  Solid rifle. Comparable to the other name brand stuff in that price range.  But I see nothing earth shattering here.

    This is what I was thinking but I think I would trust the Springfield brand more than a DPMS or Olympus Arms or something of that caliber.  But still, when it comes to AR's, Daniel Defense and Noveske are what scream Premium brand. Next thing you know Magpul will be selling uppers and lowers just to get into the game.
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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 03:24:24 pm »
    For myself, whenever a non-AR company decides to bring a 'me too' AR to the market, my personal opinion of that company tanks.  Do what you do best, and be the best at it.  The world has enough AR manufacturers.  The thing is, they know that theirs will be one of many, and probably just an average offering.  They don't care.  Cheap AR-15s will always sell for whatever the market will bear.  Who needs to excel, if mediocrity turns a profit?  Disgusting.

    That said, who mounts their rear sight *that* far forward?

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    « Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 07:20:17 pm »
    See, one of the main problems with it is that it looks like it's in the S&W M&P Sport territory, but it's priced in the AR Market Dead Zone.
    It's not in the Value priced class, and it's not in the Premium priced class... It's flat in the middle of NO ONE CARES pricing.  Because you could buy the same rifle, but with different furniture for 200 less, or 200 more and you could get into a BARNES Precision, Daniel Defense, or Joe Chetwood could custom build you something SICK.
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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 12:24:07 am »
    That is a good point.  I seem to remember that it used to be you paid almost a grand for a decent brand (Bushmaster, RRA) AR, and if you spent less it was a tossup on quality.  Back then, those were the options for a middle of the road AR.  Now, with all of the options available, and everyone and their cat churning out ARs... 

    "The 2000s called...  They want their AR-15 pricing back."

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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 09:52:41 am »
    Also, at least for me, the rollmark on the right side is a serious swing and miss.  Left side marks are great, but that giant logo...No thanks.
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    Re: Springfield Saint
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 10:42:12 am »
    For myself, whenever a non-AR company decides to bring a 'me too' AR to the market, my personal opinion of that company tanks.  Do what you do best, and be the best at it.  The world has enough AR manufacturers.  The thing is, they know that theirs will be one of many, and probably just an average offering.  They don't care.  Cheap AR-15s will always sell for whatever the market will bear.  Who needs to excel, if mediocrity turns a profit?  Disgusting.

    That said, who mounts their rear sight *that* far forward?

    I don't know how you could move it back any further without interfering with the charging handle.

    I bet Springfield was trying to pull a Ruger and trying to find something that excites people.  I think they failed.  Ruger has a hit with their RPR.  I think Springfield needs to move into the bolt gun market and put something out.  I never pictured Ruger as an accuracy type gun but their RPR is pretty good out of the box.  I want to see what Springfield can do there.  They have the resources.  They just need to build something.
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