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Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
« on: September 27, 2016, 03:01:23 pm »

Yes, it looks like it shoots well.  However I find the Vector to be distasteful.  The overall weapon system is far too bulky, and I find the weapon to be awkward on top of that.
During the heady days of Crusader Weaponry, one came into the shop and Joe was working on refinishing it.  The weapon is excessively complicated, and everything pins through and into a sub-chassis that I feel is too delicate.
During my time as Retail Manager for Blackstone Shooting Sports, a customer wanted to look at the fixed stock version of one of the Vectors we had.  He tried to fold the stock… and of course, broke it.  Vector gave me hell trying to replace the part, insisting that I pay for a new one.  I was finally able to get the part replaced under warranty, but it left a bad taste in my mouth for the company.   It’s worth noting that the customer looked like a pasty white Urkel and did not have a lot of power to apply to the stock to get it to break so easily, and he didn’t even try.   It broke far too easily.  So if you want one, get the folder, not the fixed stock.
Honestly, I don’t care if the Vector fired phased plasma in the 40 watt range.  I wont have one.   Being overly complicated, delicate and fragile, being awkward and bulky and is as attractive as George Soros and Diane Feinstein’s Love Child… I have a whole SHOT Industry worth of better options to spend my money on.

If you have one, and you like it – that’s the great thing about the Industry now – There are a great many choices.  But for me, Kriss Vector isn’t one of them.
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 03:16:19 pm »
     :yawn

    If I really wanted a 10mm carbine I'd just get myself a G20 and a MechTech CCU in 10mm. I'd be into it for $300 less, I'd have a pistol, and it probably wouldn't break.



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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 05:04:19 pm »
    Also, the 45 acp extension will work, but you have to squeeze the springs down and do a little file work on the inside of the 10mm magazine body.  I have four of them and they work great!  Second the mech tech.
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #3 on: September 28, 2016, 01:25:34 am »
    Agreed.  The MechTech unit embodies the K.I.S.S. principle.   I only handled one Kriss - a .45 ACP in a gun store when they first came out - glad I didn't accidentally break it.   :cool
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #4 on: September 28, 2016, 02:57:37 am »
    Is the Kriss vector used by any military or police unit? The only time I seem to see them is when watching science fiction shows on TV.
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #5 on: September 28, 2016, 10:17:45 am »
    And video games.   I don't know of any Military or Law Enforcement use... Though I know several agencies that got one to test, I don't personally know of any that actually adopted the thing. 
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 04:25:13 pm »
    Even aside from the bulk, I saw a slow-motion video of the Vector being fired, and the amount of flex to the whole chassis under recoil was pretty extreme.  I couldn't imagine that it would be all that accurate with that much whip going on.

    Plus, the Thompson is still WAY better looking.

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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 05:47:34 pm »
    I might write one into a story, but that's as close as I'll ever come to actually owning one. And while I agree that the MechTech is the more practical option, I'd rather have an SBR'd semi-auto MP5/10 clone.
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 07:36:58 pm »
    :yawn

    If I really wanted a 10mm carbine I'd just get myself a G20 and a MechTech CCU in 10mm. I'd be into it for $300 less, I'd have a pistol, and it probably wouldn't break.


    This is seriously what I've been thinking about doing with my 21.   10mm  CCU and a conversion for the pistol.

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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 03:07:00 pm »
    Even aside from the bulk, I saw a slow-motion video of the Vector being fired, and the amount of flex to the whole chassis under recoil was pretty extreme.  I couldn't imagine that it would be all that accurate with that much whip going on.

    You can actually see the flexing in MAC's video. I originally wondered if it was pure barrel flex since the thing was never designed for a 16" bbl, but if you look closely, you can see the receiver flexing as well.

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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 03:21:16 pm »
    Hmm, that MechTech kit is very interesting.  Especially since you can get it to work with any AR stock.   Be interested to see it with a Magpul rifle stock, CTR or STR.

    Might have to try one if I ever get a Glock pistol.
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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #11 on: September 30, 2016, 12:35:21 pm »

    Have a buddy that loves his .45 Kriss. Personally, I love my Uzi more.

    Subguns are fun and useful, but doctrine has moved to shorter barrel rifles over pistol caliber carbines. Correctly. Rifle cartridges will near always be more lethal with better ballistics. That said, no AR15 will ever put the same smile on your face the way a good subgun will.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 30, 2016, 01:48:22 pm »
    Have a buddy that loves his .45 Kriss. Personally, I love my Uzi more.

    Subguns are fun and useful, but doctrine has moved to shorter barrel rifles over pistol caliber carbines. Correctly. Rifle cartridges will near always be more lethal with better ballistics. That said, no AR15 will ever put the same smile on your face the way a good subgun will.

     :neener

    So by this logic an individual armed with a sub gun and revolver, say, a Thompson and a model 10- may be tactically disadvantaged, yet infinitely more fun?  :hmm

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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #13 on: September 30, 2016, 02:08:16 pm »
    Anyone with those specific tastes in weaponry is bound to be fun to play with.

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    Re: Kriss has a 10mm Vector, and I don't care
    « Reply #14 on: September 30, 2016, 02:44:29 pm »
    Have a buddy that loves his .45 Kriss. Personally, I love my Uzi more.

    Subguns are fun and useful, but doctrine has moved to shorter barrel rifles over pistol caliber carbines. Correctly. Rifle cartridges will near always be more lethal with better ballistics. That said, no AR15 will ever put the same smile on your face the way a good subgun will.

     :neener

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    « Reply #15 on: September 30, 2016, 03:09:23 pm »
    So by this logic an individual armed with a sub gun and revolver, say, a Thompson and a model 10- may be tactically disadvantaged, yet infinitely more fun?  :hmm

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