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Gun Store Jack___es
« on: September 11, 2016, 01:54:32 pm »
We have all seen them.  Talking to us, talking to others... Maybe we have inadvertently been them ourselves.

This is not the thread for the guys simply spreading misinformation.  These are the ones who need dragged out back and have their asses handed to them.  Maybe they talk down to customers, maybe they refuse to take the female customers seriously, or maybe they badmouth their boss, coworkers or company in front of others.  Sometimes the customers are even worse.

You get the point.  Those guys.  Post your favorite encounters.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2016, 02:09:51 pm by Kaso »

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    « Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 02:09:34 pm »
    Two of my favorites:

    -1. About five years ago, I was looking to buy a handgun for my brother in law's 21st birthday.  Knowing that of course (in Pennsylvania) most every handgun transfer has to go through a dealer, I was talking to the counter jockey about what the best option was - to leave it on layaway and have him claim it and do the 4473, or to buy it outright and transfer it to him later?  Out of nowhere, a customer comes up beside me and starts off "Father to son, or son to father!  That's the only way you can give him a pistol!!"  Rather surprised, I turned to find him six inches (literally) from my face.  Then he just casually walked away, as the store employee and I watched him go.  :shrug

    -2. Yesterday, no less.  I was perusing the ammo shelves, looking for the 8mm Mauser.  It was hiding from me, and the store was surprisingly un-busy, so I bothered an employee to help me locate it.  Turns out they only had two loads: Remington and Winchester, both in 170gr. SP.  I was kind of hoping to find S&B or Hornady vintage match, so I lamented that those were the only two available loads.  Then I conceded, "Well, I imagine you don't have that much demand for the round these days."  (As opposed to the surplus Mauser heyday)  I would have just taken it for what it was, but for his answer: "Well anything chambered in that, is going to be a relic, anyway."   :scrutiny  Okaaay...  Guess who didn't care for the attitude, and went elsewhere for the .45 ammo he was going to buy next. :eh

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    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 02:18:31 pm »
    I've already mentioned this guy,  but the racist range owner I met a few years ago. 
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    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 02:28:13 pm »
    I've already mentioned this guy,  but the racist range owner I met a few years ago. 
    Sure, but the point of this thread was to encourage member participation, not force us to try to remember.  :neener  Tell us a story.  :)

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    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 02:31:20 pm »
    Not one instance, but several: The "Girl gun" pisses me off. Stupid mother fluffers who think cos they shrink something down and make it pink, it is appropriate for women. I hate it when women get talked down to like they are too stupid to pick their own stuff and then the Jack ass guy ardently suggests something he himself couldn't shoot well or would have difficulty manipulating the controls on.

    My two favourite specific instances?

    "You don't need to conceal carry anything bigger than a NAA in .22 magnum"

    And

    "Huh, you carry a revolver daily? No one can do that, that's nearly impossible because the cylinder is so thick!" (I guess back then, when round guns were king, no one carried a gun  :banghead).

    The first instance was told to me by an old timer who worked at the gun store. No harm, no foul from him- old farts have opinions and they give them willingly; even if you don't ask. That's cool.

    The second, however,  was some east Texas peckerwood who made an effort to make my civil sidestepping of his repetitive ignorant remarks as painful as possible. Cylinders are too thick to conceal effectively in revolvers? Well thank goodness I don't have to conceal carry your head for protection, friend, cos that's the only thing that is "too thick" in this conversation   :bash. He didn't even own a proper gunshop, rather a pawn shop. He effectively convinced me to not buy the 12 gauge lupara SxS he had.

    Coelacanth remembers this incident well, because I messaged him about it. Both to vent and ask what the true price of the gun was.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 03:05:28 pm »
    this last christmas I was stocking up on ammo, 5.56 and 7.62x54r specifically, because they had both for next to nothing, 15 and 11 cent a round respectively.
    an idiot walked up and grabbed about 500 rounds of the 7.62x54 and dropped it in his cart. we got to talking about guns as he's pulling the ammo off the rack, and I ask him what kind of mosin he has, he comments that it's for his semiauto, I asked if it was a VEPR or PSL.
    he say it's an M14. I inform him that this is the wrong ammo, he needs 7.62x51 NATO he tells me to "Eff off, you moron. that stuff is twice as expensive. it's 7.62. his gun shoots 7.62. it's the right ammo." buys it and walks out.

    at a different gun shop, a guy comes in and is looking at some guns, this shop has some open racks. and this numb nuts pulls a 12 gauge shotgun off the wall, points it at the owner's back, and dry fires it. the owner hears the click, turns around and see's mr.bricks-for-brains. and says, very politely, very calmly: "Sir. please put the gun down and leave my store."
    the guy asks why, and the owner says "Because you're a *effin* idiot and I will not sell you anything. leave now. i will call the cops if I ever see your face in my store again."
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    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »
    this last christmas I was stocking up on ammo, 5.56 and 7.62x54r specifically, because they had both for next to nothing, 15 and 11 cent a round respectively.
    an idiot walked up and grabbed about 500 rounds of the 7.62x54 and dropped it in his cart. we got to talking about guns as he's pulling the ammo off the rack, and I ask him what kind of mosin he has, he comments that it's for his semiauto, I asked if it was a VEPR or PSL.
    he say it's an M14. I inform him that this is the wrong ammo, he needs 7.62x51 NATO he tells me to "Eff off, you moron. that stuff is twice as expensive. it's 7.62. his gun shoots 7.62. it's the right ammo." buys it and walks out.

    At least he won't be able to get that stuff chambered.  I bet he'd very easily do the same thing with 7.62x39.  Speaking of which, I had a guy from the UK telling me that the L1A1 could use both 7.62x51 and 7.62x39.   Despite the fact that he had zero experience with firearms.   Kept trying to tell him he was wrong, but he wouldn't believe me.   Even though I actually own multiple examples of guns chambered in both cartridges including several FALs.   
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    « Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 06:06:18 pm »
      I've actually been pretty lucky....Only a few morons.  MAINLY.....from people who never get on the internet, and only know firearms/new/different firearms from handling-and-not-firing at gunshows or word-of-mouth.    I'll forgive stuff like that.


     The gunstore maroon who said "Oh if you're going to get a 1911 it HAS to have a beavertail. I don't care what type of hand you get, you're going to get bit by the hammer if it doesn't have a beavertail"....okay....right.....obiviously after 3K+ rounds through mine it's still going to happen.

       The ripoff Aholes are the ones who piss me off the most.   Had a AES-10B RPK that I was trying to trade off...got offered $250 because "It's all covered in rust"......the cosmoline that was still in the nooks and crannies (Left it for it's preservative value).....he got all peeved when I pointed out HIS two AK's that had "rust" in them.

      And the guys who try to sell IO inc and RAS AK rifles and try to talk how just because they're US made they're so much better than foreign commie junk.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 07:55:39 pm »
      I've actually been pretty lucky....Only a few morons.  MAINLY.....from people who never get on the internet, and only know firearms/new/different firearms from handling-and-not-firing at gunshows or word-of-mouth.    I'll forgive stuff like that.


     The gunstore maroon who said "Oh if you're going to get a 1911 it HAS to have a beavertail. I don't care what type of hand you get, you're going to get bit by the hammer if it doesn't have a beavertail"....okay....right.....obiviously after 3K+ rounds through mine it's still going to happen.

       The ripoff Aholes are the ones who piss me off the most.   Had a AES-10B RPK that I was trying to trade off...got offered $250 because "It's all covered in rust"......the cosmoline that was still in the nooks and crannies (Left it for it's preservative value).....he got all peeved when I pointed out HIS two AK's that had "rust" in them.

      And the guys who try to sell IO inc and RAS AK rifles and try to talk how just because they're US made they're so much better than foreign commie junk.

    Yeah, that is annoying. Same way that if you have a stamped East com bloc anything it is considered junk, but a stamped H&K German something is the best thing ever.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 09:14:54 pm »
    My favorite was after some folks asked if the particular shop sold silencers. They looked like decent enough folk, just looking for a shop that sold them. There wasn't really any in the area at the time. Which led to the clerk gruffly going off on a speech about how they are illegal blah blah. I should have known better but I pointed out they aren't illegal with the right paperwork and tax stamp.

    Calling me son, getting an attitude, and going off about being a retired cop and how "I know the law damnit!" is not the way to get it keep business. I didn't even argue with the guy beyond my initial pointing out he was incorrect.


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    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 10:48:15 pm »
    I do indeed remember the incident MTK20 pm'd me about.  He was a bit peevish about that encounter - with good reason.  I've run across a few  practitioners of gun store jackassery but nothing compares to the sheer idiocy exhibited by the patrons of the large gun shows like Crossroads of the West and a few others.  I watched a complete nimrod do the right thing and ask before handling a fairly high dollar Colt 1911.  He picked it up, checked the chamber, locked the slide back and sighted down the barrel at about a 45 degree angle upwards toward the ceiling.  So far, so good but then he trips the slide release and when it slams back into battery he fumbles the pistol ( the ultimate example of limp wristing?  :facepalm ) and manages to drop the thing onto the table full of vintage Colts.  :panic   I and about 7 or 8 other patrons just stood there with our mouths open in abject horror.  The cussing started off fairly low but the volume increased and I suddenly felt the need for distance.  Not sure how it all ended up but it was ugly.  The next day there was a ND at the show.  Apparently some dickweed brought a loose round he couldn't recognize from the foreign military headstamp and tried it out in a pistol to see if it would fit.   :facepalm   I don't go to gun shows much anymore. 
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    « Reply #11 on: September 11, 2016, 11:20:21 pm »
    I do indeed remember the incident MTK20 pm'd me about.  He was a bit peevish about that encounter - with good reason.  I've run across a few  practitioners of gun store jackassery but nothing compares to the sheer idiocy exhibited by the patrons of the large gun shows like Crossroads of the West and a few others.  I watched a complete nimrod do the right thing and ask before handling a fairly high dollar Colt 1911.  He picked it up, checked the chamber, locked the slide back and sighted down the barrel at about a 45 degree angle upwards toward the ceiling.  So far, so good but then he trips the slide release and when it slams back into battery he fumbles the pistol ( the ultimate example of limp wristing?  :facepalm ) and manages to drop the thing onto the table full of vintage Colts.  :panic   I and about 7 or 8 other patrons just stood there with our mouths open in abject horror.  The cussing started off fairly low but the volume increased and I suddenly felt the need for distance.  Not sure how it all ended up but it was ugly.  The next day there was a ND at the show.  Apparently some dickweed brought a loose round he couldn't recognize from the foreign military headstamp and tried it out in a pistol to see if it would fit.   :facepalm   I don't go to gun shows much anymore.

    Oh man  :facepalm.

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 12, 2016, 08:23:36 am »
    Someone should have told him "if it fits it sits" only works for cats, not ammo.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2016, 01:09:28 pm »
    I have too many gun store jackass stories. It'll take a while to decide which one rates worst.

    The only reason I go to the gunshows anymore is to look at handmade Bowie knives. They used to be a great place to network and get good deals but anymore it's fat grouchy bastards selling over priced junk. My nephew, SLM's son, tried to get me to snatch up a Mosin carbine at the last one we went to but my dumb ass decided to take one more turn around the concourse before I parted with my money. Double damn not listening to that young man. He's got a canny head on his shoulders.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 14, 2016, 04:15:35 pm »
    I got treated bad once by the two owners of a gun and bow shop. I was a bit dusty, and my friend was also. We work for a living. And after I inquired about some of the military guns they used to have, Mausers and the like, he snidely informed me I could take my sorry ass out to the back where the dumpster was, and look around there. Instead, I walked out the front door, and took my $4000 payday cash with me. Sometimes the money you don't spend is as sweet as the dough you do.

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    « Reply #15 on: September 14, 2016, 05:11:16 pm »
    Hmm... I don't really go to gun stores any more.  My network of friends with FFL's is rather large and I just go direct through them. They make a few bucks, I save a few bucks, we all win and I don't have to deal with the idiots.  The closest thing to a gun store now is Sportsmans Warehouse, Scheels, and Cabelas but I stay away from the gun counter.  I don't bother to engage any more.

    More often than not, I was ignored when I go into a gun store.  For some reason they don't want money from a clean cut guy that is dressed nicely.
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    « Reply #16 on: September 14, 2016, 06:40:19 pm »
    The biggest Gun Store Jerks -
    1.  Customers who spend 30 minutes just looking, and then asks to see every gun that they know you don't have in stock. 
    DUDE... You know we don't have it, because you didn't see it.   

    2.  Customers who ask to look at very specific make and models...  Only for them to say that they already have it and just wanted to check the price.   
    DUDE... You already have it... WHO THE HELL Goes shopping for what you already have?   

    3.  The guy that b____es about Price and declares everything is cheaper everywhere else.... and then asks to Price Match. 
    DUDE - go buy the gun someplace else.  You've been as jackwagon the whole time, and now you want special consideration.  WALK!
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    « Reply #17 on: September 15, 2016, 09:35:59 am »
    Went to a local indoor range.

    Not sure the guy was a jackwagon, or just terribly intimidated by women, but afterI signed the release he nodded to my wife and said "Have your woman sign too."

    The wife did not appreciate not being addressed directly or being referred to as "my woman" for some reason.
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    « Reply #18 on: September 15, 2016, 10:37:35 am »
    Local gun store/range, which is a nice place, had a guy working the counter who wouldn't stop talking about his prior service -- being in combat, being highly decorated, etc...

    Being a civilian it's not my place to call someone out for that, but man it sure rubbed me the wrong way.  The guy is no longer employed there.
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    « Reply #19 on: September 15, 2016, 11:06:49 am »
    Being a civilian it's not my place to call someone out for that...
    For non-obvious stolen valor... maybe not.  For general arrogance and inflated self worth?  Absolutely, it is.  Having put on a uniform in the past does not make you more of a man in the present, unless you are in a situation where skills learned in the service are helping you to accomplish a task more efficiently.  A gun store counter jockey is not one of those instances.

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    « Reply #20 on: September 15, 2016, 11:18:03 am »
    Not sure the guy was a jackwagon, or just terribly intimidated by women, but after I signed the release he nodded to my wife and said "Have your woman sign too."
    I won't try to defend him, but it could have been that he was intending to say 'your Wife,' but he hesitated because he was not sure you were married, and his brain scrambled to find another word...  Only to settle on the first W word that would fit.  'Woman.' 

    Or he could just be a woman-hating jerk.  The fact that he addressed you, not her, makes that look more likely.  I just know that I am hesitant to ever assume a couple is married, on account of a few situations where customers have gotten downright hostile when I made that assumption.
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    « Reply #21 on: September 15, 2016, 12:17:00 pm »
    To be honest we just found it funny.  It was like he was afraid to talk to her.  She was standing right beside me.

    Maybe he was used to alpha male types that didn't want a gun store clerk talking to their women :neener
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    « Reply #22 on: September 15, 2016, 12:40:15 pm »
    Thinking of the many, many ways the right couple could play with someone's noggin...

    She looks at him a second, then without breaking eye contact, says "You can sign for me... slave..."
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    « Reply #23 on: September 15, 2016, 02:00:46 pm »
    Might as well add the worst of my own:

    While searching an appropriate sling at the largest shop in Athens, watched one of the managers pick up one a massive revolver that had been brought up to the registers for sale, sight and aim at the back of an employees head further down the counter, and mime pulling the trigger.

    He at least had the decency to look guilty when he noticed me watching.

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    « Reply #24 on: September 15, 2016, 04:46:54 pm »
    Went to a local indoor range.

    Not sure the guy was a jackwagon, or just terribly intimidated by women, but afterI signed the release he nodded to my wife and said "Have your woman sign too."

    The wife did not appreciate not being addressed directly or being referred to as "my woman" for some reason.

    My wife hates the terms "old lady" or "old man" to describe a spouse.

    Not trying to one up you but when I was a brand new rookie (third day on the job) I had an officer ask if I was the guy who was married to a "squaw." So much for trying to maintain good first impressions. The first word out of my mouth was "Motherf....r!"

    Regardless what some internet sources say, it is a derogatory term. Use it here in Cherokee and you WILL start a fight. While not the worst of terms, it's akin to "half breed," "Spooks" or ""Wop." While some may truly say it in innocence, my instincts were right. 25 years later, the guy is still one of the worst officers I've ever known.

    My dear wife was unfazed when I told her. She asked, "If it doesn't bother me, why's it bother you? The way I see it, you got to know him real quick without having to spend time getting to know him." I married waaaay above my station in life.
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