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Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
« on: August 26, 2021, 01:01:37 pm »
It's easy to believe individuals who don't use it won't be affected by the ban on importation of Russian ammo, but the ripple effect will be far-reaching.  And the gov bureaucrats who came up with this know it.

The gun-grabbers have tried passing punitive taxes on ammo before and failed; now, still unable to ban guns, they're doing another end-around.  As these articles point out, this will directly affect the ammo market in the longer term, making ammo in general scarcer and more expensive.

As "heresolong" points out in the Comments to the second article linked below:

Weird how this administration blocks American natural gas pipelines but removes sanctions on Russian pipelines then blocks Russian ammunition because sanctions are needed.

Almost like they have a political agenda. Where's the "Russian collusion" crowd when you need them?


Follow the links for more info:

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/five-consequences-of-the-russian-ammo-ban

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-impact-of-russian-ammo-import-ban.html


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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #1 on: August 26, 2021, 02:42:56 pm »
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-08-20/us-imposes-limited-sanctions-over-russian-gas-pipeline

    "WASHINGTON — The Biden administration imposed new sanctions Friday on three Russian ships and companies involved in constructing a controversial gas pipeline from Russia to Europe."

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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2021, 04:33:09 pm »
    I think the statement from the owner of SG Ammo pretty well sums it up.   American gun owners who have come to depend on relatively cheap and widely available Russian made ammunition are going to be hit with much higher prices and, in many cases, a complete lack of factory made ammunition for their firearms.  If there is no ammunition for you home defense gun and none for your carry gun you are in a tough spot when the home invasion robbery happens. 

    Small businesses across the the entire industry are going to be squeezed hard - possibly to death - by this decision.  Domestic suppliers and other overseas sources may not be able to ramp up production in time to save a many of them.  You can't sell what you don't have and if that part of your business was the primary source of profit it may be lights out.  Hopefully you were able to save some of that money the government was throwing around lately and haven't frittered it all away on the rapidly increasing costs of things like food and fuel. 

    I'm not certain why, at this late date, the government decided to impose a few meaningless sanctions on companies participating in a project they green lighted and called " . . . a fait accompli. ".   Perhaps they felt the need for a fig leaf to stand behind for a foreign policy decision that doesn't pass the smell test.   :coffee

     

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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #3 on: August 26, 2021, 10:27:02 pm »
    ^This.^
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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2021, 09:13:11 am »
    I think your first two paragraphs point to the actual reasoning quite nicely, coelacanth.  Can't defend yourself -- or fight tyranny - with a gun if you can't afford any ammo.  And it will drive the smaller manufacturers out of business, neatly reducing competition and, therefore, the need/desire to keep ammo prices low.
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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #6 on: September 04, 2021, 02:52:57 pm »
    The strategy first became government policy back during a previous administration under the name Operation Chokepoint.  Obviously they have that experience to build on and expand in all the ways familiar to lawyers, accountants, bureaucrats and petty tyrants in law enforcement uniforms. 

    The current situation poses some significant challenges but not insurmountable ones.   :coffee
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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 04:27:28 pm »
    Look, we all know that once a ban like this is in place they never go away, regardless of what the directive/edict from the Emporer says. That said, we are small-time by comparison to the big dogs, and we have more than 800 MILLION rounds approved on form 6's. Seeing this coming down the pipeline, we have used our contacts to line up contacts with 7 other factories around Europe, and one in South America to replace that supply line.

    And we used the sudden drop in price from the Russians to get better pricing from those countries. The Ruskies dropped their prices because flat out, they were afraid we would walk away from their supply line when this happened. Instead, we maxed out the production they can supply to fill as much of those Form 6's allocation as possible. But we have inked deals with 3 of the 8 other factories.

    Will it hurt, yeah. Who do you blame? Actually, other than the obvious, we can all blame the importers and wholesalers for sitting on the supply to drag out distribution slowly over the next few years to maximize the income from Russian ammo. But others are going to swoop in to fill that vacuum. Our rep In Europe is at a big arms show right now in Warsaw talking to them to do exactly that this whole week. Luckily the Mesko explosion yesterday was at the anti-tank rocket side and not the small arms ammo production side!
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    Re: Effects of the ban on Russian ammo
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 10:45:04 am »
    Interesting info from a perspective many don't have.  It will shake out over the next year or so - just as it always does - and we will see if congress has any appetite for it going into next year's election cycle.  A stifling regulatory environment leads to high prices and an inconsistent supply of what millions of people consider essential goods.  That, in turn, creates the unregulated black market to supply what cannot be obtained by more conventional means. 

    Once people get the idea that the government is going to criminalize all commerce related to a constitutionally protected right, that black market will blossom and begin to thrive.  Ammunition is heavy and hard to transport but if smuggling it becomes profitable one can imagine that experienced smugglers will find a way to supply it. 
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