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Article about Boulder killer
« on: April 02, 2021, 02:05:21 am »
Heavy.com has been a surprisingly journalistic source, when it decides to be, especially regarding mass shootings.

Here is an article about the killer in Boulder Colorado.

In summary, the guy is (likely) an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, who is unable to control his anget.

I don't think his Syrian heritage has anything to do with anything, since he has lived in Colorado since he was 3.

https://heavy.com/news/ahmad-al-issa/

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2021, 09:05:33 am »
    I am inclined to agree.

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2021, 09:13:06 am »
    Sorry, that should be anger, not anget.


    At some point the public is going to realize that most mass shooters are pretty simple. They have a hatred toward other people and want everyone to see it. They are trying to force the world to look at them.

    Hopefully once people realize that these guys have motivations, they will simultaneously realize that just going after guns is going after the wrong thing.

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2021, 09:52:09 am »
    *waggles hands with regards to motivations* Being an undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenic is a world away from "having a hatred for other people".   One is a medical condition, treatable with therapy and medications, while the other can come from a multitude of reasons... treatable? Maybe, maybe not.

    Trump signing a bill that makes it easier for people with mental illness to get a gun (while not applicable, since this guy wasn't diagnosed), is a step in the wrong direction.

    I agree that banning guns isn't going to answer the issue, but the right tends to yell and scream about the other solutions just as much (red flag laws, mental health screening & coverage, etc.)

    Adding more guns certainly isn't the answer.  We've already got more than *everybody else*.  What other solutions do you think would help?

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2021, 12:09:44 pm »
    I understand that mental illness does not equal danger.

    However, in the Heavy article they interview fellow students from high school who said that he would FLIP OUT if he even thought somebody was mocking him.

    Add on top of that, he would see people who were spying on him, that other people could not see.

    He thought his phone was being constantly hacked and spied upon.

    Plus there are social media posts where he is complaining about rampant Islamaphobia.

    So, you take somebody who is incapable of controlling their temper if they feel insulted, combine that with a disease that makes him imagine he is being constantly harassed and spied on, then it is concievable that he would become so angry that he decides to lash out at the world.

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2021, 01:24:16 pm »
    The anger and lashing out is *a symptom of schizophrenia*.  It's all part'n'parcel.

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    Schizophrenia is characterized by thoughts or experiences that seem out of touch with reality, disorganized speech or behavior, and decreased participation in daily activities. Difficulty with concentration and memory may also be present.

    People may experience:

    Behavioral: social isolation, disorganized behavior, aggression, agitation, compulsive behavior, excitability, hostility, repetitive movements, self-harm, or lack of restraint
    Cognitive: thought disorder, delusion, amnesia, belief that an ordinary event has special and personal meaning, belief that thoughts aren't one's own, disorientation, mental confusion, slowness in activity, or false belief of superiority

    Mood: anger, anxiety, apathy, feeling detached from self, general discontent, loss of interest or pleasure in activities, elevated mood, or inappropriate emotional response

    Psychological: hallucination, paranoia, hearing voices, depression, fear, persecutory delusion, or religious delusion

    Speech: circumstantial speech, incoherent speech, rapid and frenzied speaking, or speech disorder
    Also common: fatigue, impaired motor coordination, lack of emotional response, or memory loss

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 02:05:48 am »
    And yet, with all those problems, WHICH THE FBI WAS INFORMED OF AHEAD OF TIME, he passed the NICS background check.


    The store he shot up was well known as a place Jewish individuals could purchase Kosher items, and in fact advertised said items before Passover.  But I'm sure that had nothing to do with shooting up the place, considering his delusions about rampant Islamophobia.


    As far as the legislation that Trump signed, it protects the rights of those with harmless mental issues.  I think we can all agree this guy didn't fall into that category.


    Maybe the store shouldn't have been a posted gun free zone.


    But what do I know, we don't have mass shooters here where possible victims can carry and shoot back, and so many people own guns you should assume they will.
    Arizona

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 09:36:21 am »
    But what do I know, we don't have mass shooters here where possible victims can carry and shoot back, and so many people own guns you should assume they will.

    Where do you live, again?

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 02:22:59 am »
    Look at the flag in the lower right hand corner.
    Arizona

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 11:11:00 am »
    Look at the flag in the lower right hand corner.

    ...of what?  There's not a flag in your profile, or on your posts.

    Where do you live? If you want to just give a state, fine, but don't be shy, dude.

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 04:55:58 pm »
    Lighten up.   :coffee
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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 08:25:06 pm »
    I can see the flag, but I have no blinking clue where it's from.
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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2021, 12:27:45 pm »
    hover the mouse over the flag, it will show the name.

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #13 on: April 06, 2021, 04:27:55 pm »
    In all honesty, I do not see a flag, other than the background of Luke's ad at the bottom of the page.

    Ah, tried another browser (I usually use Chrome, not Edge). Arizona, eh?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_Arizona

    You've had about as many as we have:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #14 on: April 07, 2021, 11:02:25 pm »
    Interesting links.  Not necessarily complete.  Oregon shows 5.  They're missing the Clackamas Town Center shooting on 12/11/12 (which they know about, since they have a specific article about it).
    Oregon

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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 08:33:36 pm »
    Wait .  .  .  you mean you found inaccuracies in media reports?  .  .  .    :shocked   .   .   .   :panic  .   .   .    :rotfl
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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #16 on: April 09, 2021, 04:26:30 pm »
    Worse.

    In wikipedia info.  Even worse.
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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #17 on: April 09, 2021, 08:37:10 pm »
    I'm shocked.  Shocked, I tell you.   :coffee
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    Re: Article about Boulder killer
    « Reply #18 on: April 11, 2021, 12:39:30 pm »
    *shrugs* So correct it and add to it.

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