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Title: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: MTK20 on June 05, 2021, 06:35:31 pm
How is ammunition looking in your area? While I understand ammunition has never been as cheap or affordable as a gallon of milk, the prices are still quite high in my view. High prices and limited selection. The situation looks dismal and I'll be happy for it to blow over, whenever that may be.

As it stands, I don't intend on buying or shooting at these prices.

What's it look like in your neck of the woods?
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: coelacanth on June 06, 2021, 01:46:09 am
Still pretty grim so far.  Shelves still look badly picked over and most places still have limits on how much you can purchase at one time or per day.  There is some availability of popular calibers but the prices are high and the selection is very limited even compared to previous shortages.

I am definitely using more dry fire techniques these days. 

At least on local shop closed last year - apparently a victim of cash flow problems. 
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: cpaspr on June 06, 2021, 01:58:14 pm
I was talking with my LGS last week, and he said he's considering cancelling over $20k of back-orders, not because he doesn't want the ammo, but because he's hearing that production has almost caught back up, and he doesn't want that much ammo coming in all at once when everyone else will also be getting ammo, and he'll have way more than he can sell at a profit, considering the prices these back-orders are locked in at.  Hes been getting small lots of ammo in fairly often, but it never lasts long.  Last week he had some .22LR for $3.99/50 for standard velocity.  It didn't last a day.

That said, there's a regional big-box store chain that has been getting ammo in on a regular basis.  The employees apparently get first pickings, but eventually they decided they needed to spend their money on other stuff, like food, so I've heard fairly regular reports of .38 Special, 9mm, .223 hitting the shelves at several of the local stores.  It doesn't last long, and a person needs to be there at the right time when they put it on the shelves, but it has been dribbling in.

One acquaintance who recently acquired a 9mm after not having any firearms for a long time paid over $35 per box for FMJ from a pawn shop, plus $25/100 for a couple hundred small pistol primers.  The pawn shop was gouging, and he knew it, but he was willing to pay that much just to get something to shoot.  Otherwise his 9mm was useless to him.
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: Raptor on June 06, 2021, 04:07:28 pm
My preferred LGS is finally getting ammo back in the common calibers, but it's expensive: $35/50 rounds 9mm, $50/50 rounds .45 ACP, $18/20 rounds M855, you get the idea.  No purchase limits, but they tend to only have limited quantities in stock for almost all calibers (except .45 Long Colt: they have enough .45 LC cowboy loads on the shelves to fight - and win - a range war), and only 1 or 2 loads for each.

Less-common calibers, you're SOL.  Unless you have a .25 auto.  They've had about a half-dozen boxes of .25 auto (probably the same boxes) since COVID hit.

Haven't been to the other LGS I like in a while (it's far enough out of my way that I only visit if I'm already running errands down that way and have the time), but last time I was there, probably a month back, they were pretty picked over as far as ammo went.  IIRC they had some 12-gauge birdshot, a few boxes of 6.5 Creedmoor, a few boxes of .25 auto, and maybe a handful of other pistol ammo in less-common calibers (.41 mag, .357 SIG, etc.), but that was it.
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: wyatt on June 06, 2021, 04:33:32 pm
I live in North Central Texas. I bought a 325 round box of Federal 40 grain .22lr for $18 last week and box of Remington express #6 shot 20 gauge at Walmart. I've also found 12 gauge buckshot and 10mm auto recently. There's plenty of .223 at a local shop but it's a dollar a round.

Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: ksuguy on June 08, 2021, 03:26:41 pm
I usually buy ammo online, so I'm not usually in a place that sells it.   Last time I was in Atwoods (farm and ranch) store a few weeks ago, the ammo aisle was empty. They filled it with plastic storage boxes so they wouldn't have empty spots on the shelf.   Last year they were limiting to two boxes per customer and they still had some stuff into last summer. That gradually declined until everything was gone by the time winter rolled around.   Some of the local gun shops still have some, but they are doing that by keeping purchases limited and also holding back a few boxes so people have some to buy when they get a new gun.   

I did manage to score some good deals at Midway USA this past week.   It was my birthday week,  so with my discount,  I was able to get some IMI 9mm  JHPs for about .38/round and some 55gr 5.56 for .415/round.   I'm not sure why the birthday prices impacted those particular ones so heavily, but I bought 4 boxes of 9mm and 330 rounds of 5.56.  Could have got more, but I figured I'd leave some for the next guy.   

Basically prices were about half of what they would have been without the discount.  Usually the birthday prices are only 10% lower or so.   :shrug  The only other caliber they had for a somewhat reasonable price was Blazer Aluminum .40.  Nothing else seemed to really be marked down.   I also grabbed a spare Nitride AR BCG for about a third of the regular price.    Didn't really need one, but I figured a spare one is always nice to have if the price is right.   

I wish I could find some more 7mm-08 ammo.  I had an AR built in that caliber in anticipation of further ammo shortages since last time the "hunting" calibers stayed widely available.   Unfortunately, even those are gone now and it seems like the ammo makers are prioritizing the more common stuff, so it will be awhile before that comes back.   I only managed to get a couple hundred rounds before it disappeared.     


Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: MTK20 on June 10, 2021, 07:07:09 pm
Thanks for reporting in, guys. I know that Guns & Ammo magazine (or was it one of the others?) ran an article on the state of the ammo shortage, but it just seems unreal with how bad it has gotten. A virus, along with other events, has cumulated to negatively impact this hobby for over year now.

I just want to get back to the range.

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Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: ksuguy on June 10, 2021, 07:22:30 pm
It's been a confluence of bad stuff.     First off there was Covid (and more importantly the lockdowns) destroying the global economy .   Remington was shut down in bankruptcy for a long time.  They are one of the bigger manufacturers, so that was a big supply hit.  Then there was civil unrest and the media doing everything possible to fan the flames. Then we had a bunch of communists outright steal an election.   Honestly it is surprising it is not worse. 

Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: Kaso on June 11, 2021, 12:04:09 pm
I am not a fan of this channel, but I find his math-based answer to the shortages to be the most plausible. 

To the shortages, keep in mind that for three years we were experiencing a flooded market, with prices kept unnaturally low.  That $.19/rnd 9mm that we all liked?  That is not a normal or reasonably expectable price going forward.  With the last year's inflation, $.30 a round is probably a good price going forward.  That is the price we all pay for printing several extra trillion dollars of 'free' money.

https://youtu.be/YZqObnFDLnI
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: coelacanth on June 11, 2021, 02:21:31 pm
Agreed.  That problem is going to get worse before it gets better.  Higher prices - sometimes sharply higher - across the board for raw materials, fuel and an uncertain supply chain and labor market all spell higher prices and continued sporadic availability.  The same government(s) responsible for the chaos and disruption over the last year also take precedence over getting their contracts filled by all the suppliers we depend on for our own stuff. 

"Remember, we're the government and we put the funk in disfunction."   :bash
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: MTK20 on June 16, 2021, 03:02:14 pm
I am not a fan of this channel, but I find his math-based answer to the shortages to be the most plausible. 

To the shortages, keep in mind that for three years we were experiencing a flooded market, with prices kept unnaturally low.  That $.19/rnd 9mm that we all liked?  That is not a normal or reasonably expectable price going forward.  With the last year's inflation, $.30 a round is probably a good price going forward.  That is the price we all pay for printing several extra trillion dollars of 'free' money.

https://youtu.be/YZqObnFDLnI

Thank you for the contribution. I'll have to watch this later.
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: FBMG on June 17, 2021, 12:06:43 pm
We are working with ammo suppliers and MFG in 5 different countries right now, and their prices are still super high. We sent them a link to a webpage that tracks the retail prices of ammo, by caliber, and even gives the link to the page it was sold from, in a vain hope that they will realize that their current prices are pricing them out of the US market now.

But that said, the cost of raw materials and global inflation, as noted by coelacanth, has driven up the price before their greed can even come into play. But they still think that they can get people to sign a multi-year agreement for hundreds of millions of rounds. They MIGHT be able to, but I won't be that guy!
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: Grognard on June 17, 2021, 08:31:20 pm
I found one box of 357Mag at my gun store the other day:  $29.95 for a 50/box of generic packaged ?Armscor?   :facepalm :(
The owner apologized; said it was the only 357 he could find, and at that price, he lost about $1.50 per box.
Title: Re: Ammo Shortage Covid Edition
Post by: MTK20 on June 19, 2021, 07:17:44 pm
Regarding Kaso, I watched the video, thanks  :thumbup1 .

We are working with ammo suppliers and MFG in 5 different countries right now, and their prices are still super high. We sent them a link to a webpage that tracks the retail prices of ammo, by caliber, and even gives the link to the page it was sold from, in a vain hope that they will realize that their current prices are pricing them out of the US market now.

But that said, the cost of raw materials and global inflation, as noted by coelacanth, has driven up the price before their greed can even come into play. But they still think that they can get people to sign a multi-year agreement for hundreds of millions of rounds. They MIGHT be able to, but I won't be that guy!

Nice to get an ear to the ground regarding those who work with ammo suppliers  :cool .