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Re: 200 grain FN @ 1040 fps vs Grizzly
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2019, 10:38:55 am »
Yup.  If people have never spent a full day in the field with only what they can carry or procure from the natural environment, watched the march of the sun across the sky and seen the interplay of light and shadow across the landscape, felt the wind and the rain and the heat and the cold - all in their turn, become aware of life all around them in every direction, known silence - not just of spoken word and human voice but also the constant internal yammering the technological world demands, then they know nothing of the world they inhabit. 

Most eloquently put.  That one's a keeper.
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    « Reply #26 on: October 28, 2019, 12:40:25 pm »
    That was well said. It seems to me that there is something sinister about smart phones and related technology. It all too often becomes an unhealthy addiction. I supervised a bunch of temps. They just couldn't put the smart phones down and work. Time after time they'd get fired.

    Back to bears and pistols - I just spent two weeks alone in a remote 12x14 foot cabin in Southeast Alaska. It could only be reached by float plane. There were no roads, electricity, cell phone coverage or people within many miles. I could have shot skeet off the front porch of the cabin in my underwear it I wanted to - or a howitzer. I split wood for the stove with an 8lb maul, purified water from the stream and caught Cutthroat trout till my arm hurt. I didn't see one single bear. I'm beginning to think bears are mythical animals like unicorns or bigfoot. I carried my glock model 20 but by far the most dangerous thing I encountered was me with an 8lb maul. You get hurt up there and there's no way to call for help. You're on your own till the float plane comes back. That $1,000 smart phone that the kids can't live without wasn't worth a warm pair of socks. I got back to DFW two weeks ago today. Living in the wilderness just illuminates how absurd co called Civilization has become.

    One last thing - I bought a box of Federal American Eagle 10mm, 180gr FMJ in Ketchikan to practice with. It cost $40 bucks! I live in a rural area west of Ft. Worth and it only cost about $25 here.

    The first place you go to after a relaxing stay with nature was DFW? What a nasty wake up call :hide .

    I feel relaxed in the less inhabited places. I hope to never have to live in Dallas again  :banghead .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #27 on: October 28, 2019, 12:57:27 pm »
    I don't blame you. I never go to Dallas. I barely go to Fort Worth. I live about an hour and a half from the airport. We have deer in the yard a lot of mornings.

    If you ever get the chance, go to Alaska. It's what the rest of America once was and should be now. There is still pure freedom up there.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 28, 2019, 04:51:37 pm »
    I don't blame you. I never go to Dallas. I barely go to Fort Worth. I live about an hour and a half from the airport. We have deer in the yard a lot of mornings.

    If you ever get the chance, go to Alaska. It's what the rest of America once was and should be now. There is still pure freedom up there.

    I may have to do that at some point. I have always wanted to travel and I have previously been interested thanks to this guy's video of him travelling that way.



    It's been a while since I watched it, but I believe while I'm here I'll put it in internet awesomeness  :cool .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #29 on: October 28, 2019, 10:32:40 pm »

    Back to bears and pistols - I just spent two weeks alone in a remote 12x14 foot cabin in Southeast Alaska. It could only be reached by float plane. There were no roads, electricity, cell phone coverage or people within many miles. I could have shot skeet off the front porch of the cabin in my underwear it I wanted to - or a howitzer. I split wood for the stove with an 8lb maul, purified water from the stream and caught Cutthroat trout till my arm hurt. I didn't see one single bear. I'm beginning to think bears are mythical animals like unicorns or bigfoot. I carried my glock model 20 but by far the most dangerous thing I encountered was me with an 8lb maul. You get hurt up there and there's no way to call for help. You're on your own till the float plane comes back. That $1,000 smart phone that the kids can't live without wasn't worth a warm pair of socks. I got back to DFW two weeks ago today. Living in the wilderness just illuminates how absurd co called Civilization has become.

    One last thing - I bought a box of Federal American Eagle 10mm, 180gr FMJ in Ketchikan to practice with. It cost $40 bucks! I live in a rural area west of Ft. Worth and it only cost about $25 here.
    Yup. It's even more expensive if you buy it at the sporting goods store in Craig on POW. 

    If you don't mind my asking, which island were you on?

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    « Reply #30 on: October 29, 2019, 12:53:56 am »
    Yup. It's even more expensive if you buy it at the sporting goods store in Craig on POW. 

    If you don't mind my asking, which island were you on?

    I was in the Misty Fjords on Revillagigedo Island. I got the 10mm ammo at the Tongass Trading Co. in Ketchikan. It's by the Safeway.

    Last time I went to Alaska was POW. I  rented a 4x4 and car camped all over the island on logging roads. I've think I've been to that sporting goods store in Craig - it's Log Cabin sporting goods? I didn't see bears that time either but it seemed like everyone else on the island did. One even got hit by a school bus going on a field trip that was 15 minuets behind me on the way to the ferry.

    I spent 3 hours on the ferry and those kids going on the field trip were the most polite and mature young ladies and gentleman I've seen in a long time. Good parenting is alive and well on POW.

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    « Reply #31 on: October 29, 2019, 01:28:38 am »
    I was in the Misty Fjords on Revillagigedo Island. I got the 10mm ammo at the Tongass Trading Co. in Ketchikan. It's by the Safeway.

    Last time I went to Alaska was POW. I  rented a 4x4 and car camped all over the island on logging roads. I've think I've been to that sporting goods store in Craig - it's Log Cabin sporting goods? I didn't see bears that time either but it seemed like everyone else on the island did. One even got hit by a school bus going on a field trip that was 15 minuets behind me on the way to the ferry.

    I spent 3 hours on the ferry and those kids going on the field trip were the most polite and mature young ladies and gentleman I've seen in a long time. Good parenting is alive and well on POW.
    I've got 4.3 acres on the shore on Twelve Mile Arm, about 10 minutes away from the ferry terminal by skiff, with about 460 ft of beachfront, currently on the market.
    Next time your up your welcome to camp on it gratis, barring someone picking it up on contract.

    Glad you had a good time.

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    « Reply #32 on: October 29, 2019, 01:41:51 am »
    I may have to do that at some point. I have always wanted to travel and I have previously been interested thanks to this guy's video of him travelling that way.



    It's been a while since I watched it, but I believe while I'm here I'll put it in internet awesomeness  :cool .
    Thanks for posting that video. What an epic road trip!

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    « Reply #33 on: October 29, 2019, 02:01:21 am »
    Thanks for posting that video. What an epic road trip!

    You're welcome!

    I wasn't sure if it would gain any traction here, so I'm glad you enjoyed it!  :thumbup1
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #34 on: October 30, 2019, 02:37:57 am »
    There was a SciFi author (Daniel Keyes Moran) who actually predicted people would become addicted to being connected all the time, about 30 years ago.  Of course, he postulated it would actually be physically addicting.


    Despite being a retired engineer, I am not a fan of all this tech.  It doesn't seem to truly be helping people the way I had always thought it would.  The road to hell and all that.



    The farther I am from masses of people, the more comfortable I am.  Being out away from civilization depending on yourself is healing, at least to me.

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    « Reply #35 on: October 30, 2019, 10:21:02 am »
    There was a SciFi author (Daniel Keyes Moran) who actually predicted people would become addicted to being connected all the time, about 30 years ago.  Of course, he postulated it would actually be physically addicting.


    Despite being a retired engineer, I am not a fan of all this tech.  It doesn't seem to truly be helping people the way I had always thought it would.  The road to hell and all that.



    The farther I am from masses of people, the more comfortable I am.  Being out away from civilization depending on yourself is healing, at least to me.

    Humans have always thought the new technology was going to end the world. There were grumblings when mass book printing became available about how no one would be working cause everyone would be reading stories all the time.

    Humans are nothing if not incredibly adaptable. 
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    « Reply #36 on: October 31, 2019, 12:58:31 am »
    Considered as a species I would agree with you.  Some societies, not so much.   :coffee
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    « Reply #37 on: October 31, 2019, 06:44:27 am »
    I've got 4.3 acres on the shore on Twelve Mile Arm, about 10 minutes away from the ferry terminal by skiff, with about 460 ft of beachfront, currently on the market.
    Next time your up your welcome to camp on it gratis, barring someone picking it up on contract.

    Glad you had a good time.

    Many thanks! I just might have to take you up on that offer. I'd like to make my way north on a 6 week camping trip through the ABC Islands, God willing and the creek don't rise.

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    « Reply #38 on: November 06, 2019, 12:33:10 am »
    A man is expected to survive after a brown bear attacked him while he was out walking his dogs.

    According to Alaska State Troopers, the man was walking his dog when a sow with two or three cubs attacked him. Troopers say it was reported that the dogs chased the bears off, while the injured man was able to run to a house in the area, from where the incident was called in.

    Troopers say that Alaska Department of Fish and Game officials are currently looking for the bear.

    A call from Homer dispatchers says the man was located at Diamond Ridge Road and Rucksack Drive on the north side of town and that the man had a "severe neck injury."

    Troopers say he is expected to survive but could not release any additional information on his condition.

    Copyright 2019 KTUU. All rights reserved.


    This was last Sunday, about 5-7 miles from my home.   I gave credit to the station, but did edit a bit.  It is a small town...
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    « Reply #39 on: November 06, 2019, 01:01:41 am »
    Hoping the man recovers.  Dogs too. 
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    « Reply #40 on: November 06, 2019, 11:49:15 am »
    Good dogs. 
    He should be feeding them at least one good steak.
    Hoping the man recovers.  Dogs too.

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    « Reply #41 on: November 06, 2019, 01:23:59 pm »

    One last thing - I bought a box of Federal American Eagle 10mm, 180gr FMJ in Ketchikan to practice with. It cost $40 bucks! I live in a rural area west of Ft. Worth and it only cost about $25 here.

    Federal American Eagle 10mm, 180gr FMJ is rated at 1060 fps.



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    « Reply #42 on: November 06, 2019, 04:45:23 pm »
    Federal American Eagle 10mm, 180gr FMJ is rated at 1060 fps.




    Beggars can't be choosers. That was the only 10mm ammo in the only sporting goods store in Ketchikan (that I know of).

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    « Reply #43 on: November 06, 2019, 05:36:54 pm »
    Beggars can't be choosers. That was the only 10mm ammo in the only sporting goods store in Ketchikan (that I know of).
    There is a reason that Alaskan Airlines gives a free bag to Alaskan residents, and that those residents tend to fill said bag with ammo when traveling up from the lower 48.

    Personally I like 220 grain from Buffalo Bore.
    Best off, ask Mike. He's a Sourdough and full time resident. I'm just a tenderfoot.   

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    « Reply #44 on: November 06, 2019, 07:13:06 pm »
    There is a reason that Alaskan Airlines gives a free bag to Alaskan residents, and that those residents tend to fill said bag with ammo when traveling up from the lower 48.

    Personally I like 220 grain from Buffalo Bore.
    Best off, ask Mike. He's a Sourdough and full time resident. I'm just a tenderfoot.   
    Free bag! Those rat bastages! They charge Texans $30 for one checked bag under 50lbs and if it's over that they charge $100! Each way! Not all of us own oil wells and cattle ranches! :)

    I found it was cheaper to bring as little as possible to stay under 50lbs and just buy what other things I needed when I got there. I gave things I didn't want to pay to fly home with to my float plane pilot - somebody there will find a use for it.

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    « Reply #45 on: November 07, 2019, 12:57:17 am »
    There is a reason that Alaskan Airlines gives a free bag to Alaskan residents, and that those residents tend to fill said bag with ammo when traveling up from the lower 48.

    Personally I like 220 grain from Buffalo Bore.
    Best off, ask Mike. He's a Sourdough and full time resident. I'm just a tenderfoot.   

    I am not a Sourdough yet.  Kinda getting there though.

    Definition of an Alaskan Sourdough is someone sour on Alaska with out the dough to leave.

    I don't want to describe some of the shenanigans and out right tomfoolery I have seen, and maybe engaged in, to avoid over weight and haz-mat charges involving air travel.  Thank GOD, that to go home when I lived in the bush, we did not have to go through TSA.  I did get scolded the time my carry on weighed 65lbs, they were REALLY curious what I had in it but I was not telling.  We routinely mailed dirty cloths, unworn cloths, and all other non-necessities home to save room for frozen and fresh groceries.

    My favorite 10mm load is handloads, as the heavy cast loads were largely unavailable prior to 10 years ago.  They were out there and I had read about them, but no retailers were bringing them up in decent supply.  My favorite LGS started his business by buying ammo, especially specialty 10mm, by the pallet, shipping it to AK and then selling it out of his truck all over the road system.  For Bristol Bay, I was loading a 240gr .401 tumble lubed bullet over enough powder to just start flattening the primer.  My best guess is it was running around 1000-1100fps. I have no real clue what actual velocities were or what kinds of pressure I was creating.  All those loads have been pulled, dumped and recast.  I still have the data, but it was a dangerous and stupid load.  DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RE-CREATE.

    The hottest bear load I have shot, is the Alaska Backpacker .44mag.  It is a 320gr hardcast at about 1200fps.  They say to only shoot it out of Super Red/Blackhawks.  Not the regular Red/Blackhawks, only the Supers.  It is a handful to get follow up shots out of a 7.5" Super Redhawk.  Almost yanked my 629 out of my hand, I only fired one.
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    « Reply #46 on: November 07, 2019, 01:09:11 am »
    Free bag! Those rat bastages! They charge Texans $30 for one checked bag under 50lbs and if it's over that they charge $100! Each way! Not all of us own oil wells and cattle ranches! :)

    I found it was cheaper to bring as little as possible to stay under 50lbs and just buy what other things I needed when I got there. I gave things I didn't want to pay to fly home with to my float plane pilot - somebody there will find a use for it.

    Join AK Airs mileage club, the 49er's.  That gets you the second free bag, IIRC.  Also ask your bush plane company if they will hold mail for you, then mail gear to them.  If you have time, you can mail stuff to your self general delivery.

    Beggars can't be choosers. That was the only 10mm ammo in the only sporting goods store in Ketchikan (that I know of).

    Fly into Juneau.  I know there is one really good gun shop there.  They said there was several tons of brass to be cleaned, sorted, bagged and sold in the upstairs.  Also a really good selection of used reloading and casting machines, Star sizer/lubers.  I just had no easy way to get anything good home and no time to figure one out.  I did take home a bunch of brass and bullets for my .450 marlin.  I had not been able to find brass in Anchorage, and online it was stupid expensive.
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    « Reply #47 on: November 07, 2019, 09:47:32 am »
    Mike's post reminded me of something-
    On my first trip up to check out my land I flew into Ketchikan and stayed the night at a hotel.
    I had mailed a footlocker to myself, c/o the hotel.   
    Most of my gear, including a long arm.


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