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Why you NEED Iron sights:
« on: January 11, 2013, 01:00:21 pm »
   Okay, anymore people (Myself VERY included in this) get hung up on the best scope, the best red dot.  AND....mounts that "return to zero" so well...........even though 9 of 10 will never be removed, and I know a LOT of guys who haven't even zeroed their iron sights  :facepalm

    Well I still think a red dot or scope is "best" it doesn't mean you should avoid iron sights, their training, or make do with optics/mounts taht can't be removed fast to use irons.   I've "thought" about it before but never really did much, I practice occasionally with my underfolder with irons because I'm too tight to buy a TWS or ultimak for it, but not my other AK's....

  Well, I really got to thinking about it right now.  Just got back in from a freaking blizzard outside.  Rural MT is in whiteout, swirling snow,etc.   Had to feed the cows, calves, bedding,etc. thaw waterers,etc.etc.       Pickup windows iced up, my uncle's glasses kept fogging up and then getting ice on them, etc.

    And the same way with a scope or red dot, keeping the front + rear lenses clear would be nearly impossible right now.    now 9 out of 10 days a dot or scope would be better.....But keep yer irons and keep em sighted in for days like this  ;)  Even piss-poor eyes like mine work with irons on a day when visibility goes down to 100 yards or less.     

   And...that in mind, the Fins Valmet's have them, so probably not a big deal, but would a peep sight "clog" in blowing snow like this?   If it did, I imagine the rest of the gun would have it's own problems anyway.

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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 01:13:03 pm »
    Never mind impact, shock, recoil which can kill a scope quicker when the unit is near freazing... Cold Temps and Moisture and Snow will kill a scope all on their own. These can kill an optic quicker than a ninja.  As the scope cools, then warms... say taking it in and out of a truck... can cause a little break in the seal.  When that happens, any moisture around the edges of the glass can get sucked inside.  More temp change and that moisture fogs the glass on the inside and there is nothing you can do about it to get it out.  All the sudden your optic is now completely useless.
    It will have to be sent back to the Factory for service.  Generally this is covered under Warranty and wont cost you anything.  But in the mean time, you now have a weapon without it's optic.
    Just dust can render your glass unusable. This has happened to me more than once. A wind kicks up, say you have some moisture on your glass, and now you have dust blowing and it gets stuck to your lens.  Don't just rub it off - that's going to thrash your glass.  You gotta wash it off with water, a little soap, get that grit off the lens without grinding it into the glass.  In this case, out in the field, you might have a water bottle, a lens cloth and brush... if not, you gotta take the scope off and use your irons.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 01:40:30 pm »
    I remember being hung up on them.  Reached it's apex after I got my first AR.  I purchased four different optics to try out on that bad boy...Red dot, holographic, 6X scope and 4X long eye relief.

    And then my interest in M1 Garands rekindled.  And as I poked around in the CMP forums and other Garand communities I started noting the old timers that could rival my best groups from my AR with a 70 year old Garand, 70 year old eyes and iron sights.

    So, I returned to irons.  In fact the only guns I know have with a scope mounted are my Remington 700P, which is a dedicated long range gun and doesn't wear irons, any an older Mossburg 22 mag that I haven't shot since my dad gave it to me 5 years ago.

    And I am a much better shot because of it.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 02:24:50 pm »
    It is good to know both.  I am reasonably good with irons and can hit most of the time out to 400-500 yards, but scopes do help and I do better with one.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 02:51:12 pm »
    Almost all of my rifle shooting is with low powered scopes (<=4X) and red dots.  I still have iron sights on my "working" rifles but, frankly, I only check them once or twice a year.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 03:45:00 pm »
    I put the Lever Rail on my .45-70 so I could pop on a decent optic.
    Then I went out to Utah... popped steel at 400 yards, I have no optic on that rifle.


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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 03:47:39 pm »
    yeah well I need some type of optics most'a the time  ;)  If I wanna hit something smaller than a 55 gallon barrel with my eyes that is ;)  It sorta sucks: I'm juuuust good enough I don't need glasses, but juuuust bad enough that Irons don't quite cut it.

    Think I might get a pair of BCG style/nerd glasses at some point though.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 04:02:23 pm »
    I hit up walmart and got some yellow tinted prescription shooting glasses, I think final price was around $80.



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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 05:58:56 pm »
     Hmm. might hafta look into that
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 06:34:40 pm »
    Grant, if your eyesight isn't good enough to use iron sights on a firearm, you need glasses anyway.  Stop kidding yourself, get to an eye doctor, and get a prescription.

    I know it sucks.  I've been wearing glasses since the second grade, and it's a giant pain in the ass.  But it beats squinting.
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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 09:13:35 pm »
    I just recently swallowed my pride and got glasses.
    My eyesight isn't BAD, but it is not what it once was.
    I honestly didn't know how bad it had gotten until I got my glasses.
    Without them, I get along just fine.
    With them, it is like seeing in high def.
    Since I need glasses, getting the shooting glasses also was a no Brainer.


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    Re: Why you NEED Iron sights:
    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 12:11:30 am »
    Contacts, man. I've been wearing them since I was 15. Glasses suck. Even working construction, contacts haven't bothered me. Only thing that gets me is strong wind, my eyes will water and the contacts start to float.

    Back on topic, I'm a firm believer in BUIS on any serious weapon. If you only shoot at the range when it's 75 and sunny, you're fine. If the rifle is intended to save your bacon, spend the money on backups.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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