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Nikon P-223 series?
« on: January 13, 2012, 07:53:37 pm »
  Just wondering if anyone has seen/heard anything on them?

   I was skimming the latest Cabela's and saw them advertised.  Looked on Nikon's website and I am somewhat interested....  The Fixed 3X32 was what caught my eye.  Nikon's BDC reticle never really "caught" me.   However I looked and the "BDC Carbine" reticle on the 3X32 is EXACTLY what I've been ragging that scope companies should make.

 A light, compact fixed power scope with a #4 reticle, with hash/holdover marks between the crosshair center and the thicker bottom post.

  Now considering the lower price, I am assuming they're basically "prostaff level", since their price is more comparable to Prostaff than Buckmaster of the older M223 series?

  I'm interested in the fixed 3X for a DMR-type AK.    My only gripe is the #?*! exposed "tactical" turrets.  A scope like that does NOT need those high SOB's and can be turned by accident and exposed.
 
    I'd really like to see something similar in a fixed 5 or 6X brought out. 
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 07:54:23 pm »
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 12:57:43 am »
    A fancy fixed 3 power...
    I don't know about that one.

    I like Burris's options.
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 01:11:17 am »
    Not sure how much they're running but the tool is a good one.  I have a fixed 3x bdc on my IOR riding on my Sig 556.  Works great.  From 5 yards to 250 in a split second.  Havent run it past that but it appears like it readily could.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 01:15:33 am »
    I have the 2-8X32 with the BDC reticle. It's my 3-gun scope, so it's on an AR, and it's flexible for different ranges. Works pretty well for .223. I usually shoot 55gr junk ammo, even though it's calibrated for 62gr Hornady Expensive Tip ammo. Still works well out 200yd. I haven't had a chance to shoot it farther than that.
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 11:53:19 pm »
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    usually shoot 55gr junk ammo, even though it's calibrated for 62gr Hornady Expensive Tip ammo

    Yep, generally your 55grn and 62grn won't vary that much when it comes to practical shooting with a ballistic reticle holdover type scope such as this or an ACOG (which are also calibrated for 62grn rounds, IIRC)

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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 11:40:01 pm »
      Okay, FINALLY got in the fixed 3X model.  Suppsoed to come into stock in Cabelas at Jan 9th, just now came in stock and arrived.

        Anywho, first impressions:
    Excellent glass. Clear and bright, better than my two Prostaffs, equal to the Buckmaster I recently sold.

    Turrets, as predicted, big, bulky and serve no true purpose on a scope like this other than cluttering it up.  However it is super short.   (One big reason I'd like to see more fixed power scopes.  This fixed 3X is only 8.5" long VS a minimum of about 9.5-10" for variable powers).

    Can't speak as for turret repeatability, I just quicky mounted it and got it hitting ice chunks at 150-200 yards.  Turrets have a little "slop" in them, but not bad.


    Now, the bad; WOW.......the pictures of the crosshairs didn't do them justice....they're TINY.    Light starts going duskish you're not going to see squat.   The crosshairs are SUPER-thin, half the size of any my others, the hash-marks are the same.   Even the duplex portion of the crosshairs are thin, about 1/4 the width of any of my 1-4X scopes.


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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 11:53:34 pm »
    Quote from: Grant on March 20, 2012, 11:40:01 pm
    Now, the bad; WOW.......the pictures of the crosshairs didn't do them justice....they're TINY.    Light starts going duskish you're not going to see squat.   The crosshairs are SUPER-thin, half the size of any my others, the hash-marks are the same.   Even the duplex portion of the crosshairs are thin, about 1/4 the width of any of my 1-4X scopes.

    I noticed that, too. I use my 2-8X for 3-gun so it's always daylight shooting (at least where I shoot). I always take a few seconds to get a good sight picture before I shoot a stage just so I can remind my eyes what those tiny cross hairs look like against the targets. I have the BDC600 reticle, so the bullet-drop markings give a nice clue as to where your crosshairs are.

    Another observation is that the Nikon reticle isn't half as bad as the ACOG reticles I've seen.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 01:32:34 am »
    We just got these in... 3-9 versions.  The glass is ProStaff level.  Meh... I'm not impressed with these, but then again I can be a real picky elitist when it comes to glass.
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 09:08:44 pm »
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    Ahahahahahah. Missed that the first time around.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 11:44:19 pm »
    Quote from: GeorgeHill on March 21, 2012, 01:32:34 am
    We just got these in... 3-9 versions.  The glass is ProStaff level.  Meh... I'm not impressed with these, but then again I can be a real picky elitist when it comes to glass.

    If you give it a handicap, what's your opinion? I mean for a scope in the $200-300 range, how does it compare to others on the same price point?

    FWIW, I like mine, and the shooter is definitely the limiting factor on my rifle/scope combo.
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 11:57:40 pm »
     Not to intrude in your question to George but just my opinion:

    Prostaff glass, while okay, isn't great (Same as these P223s).  They're basically Prostaffs with a little higher price-tag for the fancy name and diff reticle.   In the 3-9X version, I'd just pick up a regular Prostaff with the BDC and save $40.     
     
     
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    Re: Nikon P-223 series?
    « Reply #12 on: March 25, 2012, 12:36:13 am »
    Grant, I think you nailed it.  The P series isn't giving you really anything but knobby turrets that get turned every time the rifle gets moved around.  Pull it out of a gun case, put it in a gun case... someone sneezes...   I really don't like them. 
    The scope its self is fine - if you like it, it's not a bad unit.
    For 350, you could get the new Burris Fullfield E1... which is a big step up.

    (in the video I quote a price that the Burris Rep said they would be at... but that's not what happened when we finally got them in.)
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