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Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
« on: August 21, 2017, 04:02:31 pm »
What can y'all recommend for good budget red dot sights? Kindness (my AR-15) needs a red dot, but I can't afford an Aimpoint and really don't know the budget brands well enough to make an educated purchase. I'm leaning towards either Vortex, Primary Arms, or Holosun at the moment.

Also, what are the pros and cons to mini red dots vs. "regular" 30mm-tube red dots?

As always, thanks in advance.
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 05:25:58 pm »
    Bushnell TRS-25
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 08:20:32 pm »
    primary arms MD-ADS.
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    Vortex  StrikeFire 2

    I've used the primary arms since I got my AR, it's solid. the "50,000 hour battery life" is a lie. it gets that much on setting #3 (the lowest non-NVG setting).

    it only gets 15-20,000 at setting 5-6 (the level at which you can see it in normal sunlight). (that's about 2 years.)
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 08:39:49 am »
      Posted on facebook but I can make a more detailed post on here on my computer ;)

      Bare bones budget minimum:   Bushnell TRS-25.   It's a great microdot for the money, and with black Friday coming up you'll get one for $50 or so.

       Step up in microdots:   Vortex Sparc.  PSA has had a lot of deals lately with 10 Pmags and a Sparc for $200 shipped.   

        30MM red dots, cheapest I'd go is Primary Arms for $89-$100.

     Step up, Vortex Strikefire for $180 or so.


     I am a HUGE vortex fan.   I've had their dots on 12 gauges, .308's, abused and beat them and they keep running.    I had one red/green dot that the red failed on (gree continued working and held zero).   Didn't have receipt,etc. and their forever warrenty came through, replacing my 6 year old Strikefire with a brand new Strikefire II no questions asked.

    I also am a HUGE fan of Primary Arms.  I have several of their prism 2.5 and 4X scopes and they are rock solid.   If you ever want magnification I highly recommend them.

     As far as micro VS 30mm......30mms seem to have a bit better FOV.  In the long run I think it boils down to which you like the look of.    I like the look of a 30mm on a full size and micros on pistols and shorty AR's.

        On facebook you mentioned cowitness, otherwise I'd say a Primary Arms 2.5X prism would be ideal, several deals for $159 at the moment on them, and in my opinion, very usable up close, but that extra magnification really helps even a ways further out
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #5 on: August 24, 2017, 12:05:32 pm »
    Well I just ordered a Bushnell TRS 25 off Amazon. The price was right $67 shipped and it will be here tomorrow... I ordered it this morning. I'm going to throw it on my Mossberg 930 and try out a red dot for duck hunting I'll make sure to let you guys know how it holds up


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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #6 on: August 24, 2017, 02:43:32 pm »
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #7 on: August 24, 2017, 02:59:13 pm »
    I have AR-pistols with both the TRS-25 and the PA Micro Dot.  They are so similar I can't really tell much difference in use.  Both have held up fine for the year or so that I have owned them.  As I understand it they are made in the same factory and only differ in housing and markings.

    I think the PA is the one that has stops between the brightness levels that are "off".  I really like that feature as it means I am only one click from off, or from on at my ideal intensity.

    As has been mentioned, the 30mm tube version are going to have a wider FOV, and cost more money.  Nukmed has a Holosun on his AK and it seems to work fine as well.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 25, 2017, 01:08:12 pm »
    I think the PA is the one that has stops between the brightness levels that are "off".  I really like that feature as it means I am only one click from off, or from on at my ideal intensity.

    Went home last night and checked.  It is my SWFA SS1X4 that has the off stops between each setting. 
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 04:59:28 pm »
    Holosun is the OEM manufacturer for Primary and Sig. All are great in my humble opinion for the money.


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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #10 on: August 27, 2017, 06:35:24 pm »
    So after I mounted and did a later bore sight  I took it out the trs-25 and my 930 to shoot some clays ran 125 rounds of Remington bulk pack 1 oz and 25 1 1/4 oz, #5 1450 fps at best a its stout load not too hard kicking but a fair bit hotter the cheap bulk pack. I think my zero was a bit low in relation to pattern to my spread but if I held a bit low I was on target. it seemed a bit slower then the  bead sight at first but as I got used to it it seemed as fast or faster then a bead and held up great with no zero shift

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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #11 on: August 29, 2017, 05:33:59 pm »
    Bushnell TRS-25

    Agree.  Had one of these for years.  Beat it to death and it still keeps on ticking.  Yes, the screen is tinted and yes, it will pull down the battery if you don't shut it off, but the darned thing is less than $100 most places and seems virtually indestructible.

    It may not be duty grade (I have a Leupold Deltapoint Pro for home defense), but I would not hesitate to take the little TRS-25 on any deep woods hunting excursion, even where it might get knocked around a good bit.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 02:46:47 pm »
    Bit of an update on the TRS 25 shot a  bunch of rounds through it  mostly trap loads but probably 100 rounds of duck loads with no issues but duck hunting this morning I noticed the front lense popping out on recoil I was literally pushing it back in place after every few shots  so back to Bushnell with it. gotta say pretty disappointed with it

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    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 02:49:00 pm »
     :(

    Maybe you got a lemon?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 03:02:14 pm »
    Hope so just sent a email to Bushnell hopefully that take care of the problem

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    « Reply #15 on: November 26, 2017, 02:50:33 pm »
    hey raptor- If you're still looking, I'll sell you my Primary arms MD-ADS, high and low mounts, extra batteries all the accessories, and my Magpul PRO MBUIS sights for $200
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    Re: Recommendation for a Budget Red Dot?
    « Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 08:04:01 pm »
    Thanks, but I must decline. Getting an optic for Kindness is no longer a priority.
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