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Coronach

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« on: October 23, 2008, 02:50:53 pm »
If this is in the wrong place, please direct me to the proper one...

Short Version: I have been tasked by my chain of command to come up with some plate carriers and plates for our patrol riflemen. What would you recommend for urban LE use, given that we all wear soft level II armor already, and this will be a don/doff from the trunk type deal, going over our existing equipment? Expected threat is intermediate rifle rounds, with 7.62x39 being the most prevalent. Protection against full-strength rifle (7.62 NATO) would be a nice plus. Ability to molle up mag carriers and blow out kits would be nice, but remember that this needs to work with our duty belts.

Long Version: My LT has gotten sick of the bureaucratic holdups for getting these, and is going to put in a request for purchasing what we want through alternative funding. Most everyone in executive staff thinks that our riflemen need armor, and they've felt that way for two years now. As of today, no damned plates, no damned carriers. And, nothing on the horizon in FY09 So, says LT, screw 'em, we'll do it ourselves.

The problem is that none of us are BTDT types with experience with modern armor and gear, and we can't go through Ordnance (they've been told not to assist us, because exec staff wants everything uniform, and they're "about to make a decision" and have been for 24 months, fer rills, yo). I've lurked on lightfighter, but there is literally so much 411 there that it makes my head swim (kinda like shopping for newbie ar15 info on arfcom, with less trolling).

Cheaper is better, but crap is crap. We don't want crap. Simple is better. Lighter is better, but not if it compromises protection or durability, or makes the cost skyrocket. We don't have to hump this for 3 days in Fallujah, but we may have to run after someone, and it would be nice if we could catch them.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mike
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    Re: Body Armor
    « Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 03:00:08 pm »
    We helped design a set up for DHS and San Diego Patrol. It has a basic plate carrier, cuff pouch 2 pistol mags and 4 rifle mags and medical pouch on the front. It also has velcro on the front and back for police markings. Put it in a bag in the trunk and you are ready for an active shooter senario. We use the Condor stuff. It is cheap but it works REALLY well. DHS loves theirs. They use theirs in tunnels when tactical armor is just too bulky.

    As for plates, the PPI plates are relatively inexpensive for level 4 and they are fairly decent in weight. I can send you pics of a rig tomorrow, or post them here if I get into the shop.

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    Re: Body Armor
    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 03:20:08 pm »
    It does help, Pyle. Thanks.

    We'd probably just be getting the carriers and plates and letting the individual officers customize their loadout as they see fit.

    How does the gear work with duty belts? My main concern is that the lower part of the plate carrier would interfere with the higher-up stuff on the duty belt. For instance, take me. Sticking up above the waistline I have, clockwise from 12 o'c:

    Magazine carriers (2 o'clock)
    baton (4 o'clock)
    Radio antenna and wires (8 o'clock)
    Taser (11 o'clock)

    I cannot shed my duty belt at every shooting scene, and transferring the gear would take too much time anyway. I can reorganize/ditch some of that stuff, but not all.

    Thanks for the help,

    Mike
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    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 08:26:39 pm »
    since it is just the plate it rides nice and high. it should not extend down past the belly button so duty belts are no problem. They were designed to work with it.
    You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power - he's free again. -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand

    "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert Heinlein.

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    Re: Body Armor
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 11:26:03 pm »
    Hmm. Some of my gear sits substantially above my belly button (taser in particular), but that's just how I have my stuff rigged. I might have to rework some of it. Should be ok for most of my guys.

    Thanks for the help. Can I see a pic, when you get a chance?

    Thanks,

    Mike
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