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AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
« on: September 10, 2012, 10:42:06 pm »
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=184656

I been keeping close tabs on this.





5.45/5.56 reticle around Christmas, 7.62 after the first of the year, in both 1-6X variable and 6X fixed.

I am REALLYYYYYYY looking forward to this one.....Primary Arms really makes some danged good stuff, not Leupy stuff, but danged good for a cheaper maker.   

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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 11:24:22 pm »
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    « Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 11:30:45 pm »
    Nice. Looking forward to it.


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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 11:37:10 pm »
    Oh wow. What format? Standard scope format, I assume? Not something short and 30mm based (think Aimpoint), right?

    Interesting. VERY Interesting. I have a Vepr that needs some glass ... and RSR is talking about a standard scope version of their AKM mount ...

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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 08:06:05 am »
      I'm not sure, Primary Arms 3X Compact model (Basically a cheaper clone of the Burris AR-332) is only 5.5" long and a BIG seller, I'm think that at least their fixed 6X model might be similar, at least I'm hoping!!!!   The 1-6X will probably be near-identical to their 1-4X variable.

      I'm looking forward to RSR's AKS mount, which will accept straight-tube 30MM 1-4X scopes.   Good produce, I'm betting that both of the upcoming scopes will fit in it. 
     
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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 08:16:50 am »
    I have RSR's AKM mount. I haven't had a chance to wring it out yet, but the fit and position is just dead nuts right. It's one of those things that it is obvious it should have been made 30 years ago, and just wasn't.

    I hope he makes a billion dollars.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 09:53:38 pm »
     Lol, how many AK's were around 30 years ago  :P

    Heck, I wish i'd been buying AK's 6 years ago.   AK popularity has surged 500% in the last 5 years, and prices right along with them.

    But: We are getting more quality stuff with them.
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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 10:02:58 pm »
    It was what the Russians should have done when they developed the sidemount. It is essentially the venerable BP-02 mount, just done properly. There is no reason that they could not have done it right when they developed their mount, there is nothing revolutionary here. They just failed to do so, and so did everyone else, until now.

    And that's nothing disparaging towards RSR. They saw a market, snagged it, and rather than reinventing the wheel, they took a shoddily made one and fixed it up right. Brilliant, all the way around.

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    « Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 01:44:24 pm »
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    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 05:03:24 pm »
    The ONLY potential flaw I see with this is what is evident in the Primary Arms 1-4 I have on my M4-.22.

    The cone of vision (or eye-box) is VERY small.  You have to get your eyeball EXACTLY - PRECISELY - DIRECTLY in the right spot or all you will see is BLACK.

    For shooting from the bench - where you have all day to line up with the scope - it is fine.  For shooting game - you are probably fine.

    However if you do any "runnin' n gunnin'" it positively sucks.  You get lost in the black spending precious seconds trying to get your head/eye in the exact right spot so you can see the target.

    Conversely - my Vortex 1-4 scopes (one on my M4 and one on my AK74) both have a VERY generous eye-box (cone of vision) so it is very easy and fun to "run n gun" with these - you just throw the rifle in your shoulder and you can see through the scope - see the reticle - see the target - in other words you can see what you need to see instead of searching the black for the reticle and target.

    I really hope this new PA scope has a better cone of vision (eye-box).

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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 09:00:03 pm »
    That's a frequent failing of low end optics. They will often cheat a little and get great stats and still meet price point by skimping on components, and it often shows up in either eye relief/position or field of view.

    We'll see. I'm interested, but it will all depend on quality. I would be more interested in a non-AK specific optic with better real-world usability/durability than a AK specific reticle in a less usable tube. I know that BDCs were all the rage in optics a few years back, but now I'd almost prefer not to have them. You end up marrying yourself, your optic, your weapon and your load together. What happens if you switch to a radically different load, or your preferred load ends up not matching your reticle very well? Using 5.56 as an example, how closely does a 62gr load in a 14.5" tube match up with a 75gr one out of a 16" gun? I'm not sure, myself ... and that doesn't even explore the possibility of switching the scope to another gun ...

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    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 10:17:22 pm »
      Tireiron, I agree completely.

      This optics "place" would be replacing the bulkier and more clumsy (Albeit, maybe more reliable) POSP type scopes, which are THE...most sensitive to eye placement I've ever seen.

      As for this, that's one reason I like the hash marks, rather than a turret you are supposed to twist to get the right elevation.   ALthough they won't line up exactly, it only takes a nice afternoon on the range to know where they actually are.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 12:12:04 am »
    The Eye Box, The Eye Relief, Parallax, Light Transmission, Clarity, Field of View, there are a lot of factors that come into play for me... I'm very picky. I'd have to take a good hard look at one of these.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 11, 2013, 08:45:32 pm »
    http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=184655&start=25#p1520873

     Optic is roughly two weeks out.  Last pictures in the post show the optic itself, a fixed 6X will be the first one here.

     
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    « Reply #14 on: March 12, 2013, 09:27:19 am »
    That might make a good starter optic for a CZ 527.
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    Re: AK-specific optic by Primary Arms!!!!
    « Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 11:30:43 pm »
       I got a fixed 6X on the way.  I sold my Saiga so I had the cash  :thumbup1  $180 was more than I had been hoping for....but Primary Arms has good reviews and stand behind their products and there isn't any other compact scopes unless I go NCstar or Barska  :vomit.

    https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_6X_Scope_with_ACSS_reticle_p/pa6xrbd.htm

       When it gets here I'll compare it to:
      Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25-4X.
      Nikon Monarch 1-4X
      Weaver Classic V3-1-3X
      Burris FF2 3-9X (currently on my 5.45).
     
       And I will not baby it, see if it holds zero.  I probably won't do a box test, but it will be mounted on a 7.62X39 AK (rather than the 5.56 or 5.45 it is meant for) and I'll see where the drop marks correspond
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