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Title: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Roper1911 on August 16, 2017, 11:09:17 pm
so for the longest time, conventional wisdom has said that "tactical" and Molle gear is bad for bug-out/ready bags/get home kits because it "marks you"
but with the proliferation of Molle/tactical gear and "tacticool" culture do you guys think this is just the case? I mean, wal-mart carries Molle gear now. several people I went to college used assault packs for backpacks.
So what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 16, 2017, 11:14:06 pm
Use whatever gear you think will best get you out of 'the badness'. If someone harasses you, then the ROE are the same as any other self defense situation.

I kinda doubt what backpack you have will be the deciding factor in whether someone jumps you or not  :shrug.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: coelacanth on August 16, 2017, 11:14:22 pm
Hey, some Kelty or North Face equipment and a sack of granola and you're practically invisible no matter what else you're carrying.   :cool
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: booksmart on August 17, 2017, 09:33:20 am
Yeah, I've been looking for bags with Molle webbing that don't scream "TACTICAL" because they're not in TACTICAL colors (Army OD, multicam, coyote, etc.).  About the only thing I've found is some backpacks by UnderArmour, which look reasonably well constructed, but which have the downside of having a huge UnderArmour logo on 'em (well... not so big on the stuff with Molle, for the most part)...

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/mens-ua-cordura-range-duffle/pid1283432-001 (https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/mens-ua-cordura-range-duffle/pid1283432-001)

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-recruit-backpack/pid1261825-101 (https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-recruit-backpack/pid1261825-101)

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-guardian-backpack/pid1295553-953 (https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-guardian-backpack/pid1295553-953)

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/mens-ua-huey-backpack/pid1294717-001 (https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/mens-ua-huey-backpack/pid1294717-001)
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: LowKey on August 17, 2017, 10:35:33 am
Guys,
If you're in a place under circumstances that make you think a "tacticool" or military style backpack is going to mark you, and by mark I'm guessing you mean draw unwanted attention and implying being robbed or assaulted, then you'll have the same issue if you're carrying a pink Kelty pack.

If things have gotten so squirrelly that someone is going to target you to steal your stuff they're going to steal ANY packs.   
If you're worried about official types, I sincerely doubt that they much about the color or style of pack you're carrying, they're going to <probably> be more concerned with crowd control and unless you're waving a firearm around or otherwise acting like a threat you're going to be just another face in the crowd. 

What I do recommend is that you not garb yourself head to toe to look like military personnel. You know the look.  If you've been to at least one gun show you've seen the someone dressed up in a ersatz soldier suit, either surplus US or Foreign, trying to convince you his myopic gaze is actually a thousand meter stare.  :facepalm
Don't be that guy plus an alice pack, looking like your out playing jungle patrol with   your airsoft friends.  You'd probably just be the butt of jokes for all that see you if you do, bit there's a slim chance someone might think you'll do something stupid with all that kit and take preemptive measures. 
Just get the most durable, comfortable, functional pack for your needs that you can afford and make sure you have it fitted to you properly and use it periodically to  keep your stabilizing  muscles in shape.   
I'll repeat this again because it's more important than many people think- Make sure you get the pack properly fitted to you.  If it isn't you'll wear yourself out faster and be more prone to injury.   
The HPG packs and pouches my wife and I have are mostly in shades of coyote brown, with some OD stuff. Civilian boots, a brown smock from Arktis, clothing is all civilian looking stuff.     It's not going to be a problem if you look like you went shopping in the bargain bin at an old school Army Navy Surplus store, just try to avoid looking like Walter Mitty out for a stroll.

TL:DR-
Don't worry about .mil style or colored packs.  There is no "gray man" advantage to avoiding them in favor of "civilian" packs.   
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 17, 2017, 10:55:21 am
It's a very real possibility to be targeted for being white or even a Christian, depending upon what the mob is about  :shrug.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: LowKey on August 17, 2017, 01:39:50 pm
It's a very real possibility to be targeted for being white or even a Christian, depending upon what the mob is about  :shrug.
Quite true, and I'd point out that under those circumstances the color or styling of your backpack are exceedingly unlikely to sway the crowd for or against you. ;)
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: RetroGrouch on August 17, 2017, 04:05:15 pm
I think the "My Little Pony" backpack will mark you in an entirely different way.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: LowKey on August 17, 2017, 04:31:55 pm
I think the "My Little Pony" backpack will mark you in an entirely different way.
I think you are entirely correct, sir.  :thumbup1
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: booksmart on August 17, 2017, 07:29:42 pm
What about when your bug-out gear *is* your EDC?
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on August 17, 2017, 10:09:39 pm
Screw perception,  if it's legit TEOTWAWKI,  you'll value having a pack that doesn't suck.  You seriously get what you pay for.  That said,  Molle isn' the end all/be all on a main pack.  Handy,  but not necessary.  And I say this a an endurance hiker that hauls either a Mystery Ranch Hot Top or a surplus Filbe main pack, depending on length of hike.  The molle farm is handy on a flak/plate carrier,  but less so on a pack.

YMMV,  I'm no expert,  I just know what I like.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Plebian on August 17, 2017, 10:37:11 pm
What about when your bug-out gear *is* your EDC?

Are you attempting to hint that your EDC is a My Little Pony backpack?  ;)
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: bignate88 on August 18, 2017, 08:07:37 am
Are you attempting to hint that your EDC is a My Little Pony backpack?  ;)
I don't know about you but I keep my bug out gear in my My Little Pony lunch box...

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Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Roper1911 on August 18, 2017, 11:06:44 pm
I'm currently keeping my bug out/ready gear in the whole cab of my truck. I'm looking at one of the Ozark trail Quest day packs to hold my knifechete, addition magazines & ammo for my battle rifle or carbine, depending on what I choose to rig my plates for. more mags for my pistol, (which will probably be a canik or P320, depending on the market. but the Hudson H9 is listed on Brownells for $1150, but its out of stock so that is super, super tempting... I'm getting one. I just don't know if I want one as the vest gun.) hammock, tube tents, the freaking quarter mile of 1100 cord and 550 cord I have spooled up under the seats, entrenching tool, additional first aid/emergency response gear, flares, flare gun, maybe smoke signals, and food/water as well as purification equipment.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 19, 2017, 01:13:12 am
I really need to get my get home back in order for my sedan. I have a small gas container, shaker siphon, sleeping bag, fat max, and ability for fire. I have a machete and fishing pole for the more rural stuff, but I think that if it is going to be something political like what we have been seeing with antifa and civil unrest, then I believe I'll value food/snacks, a few comfort items like a fresh change of clothes/chapstick/etc, and a few bucks for gas or a pay phone more than the super tacticool stuff. My guess is that one box of ammo would and 3 mags would be the most one would need, tops.

I'm not staying and fighting, I'm leaving town  :cool.

Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Roper1911 on August 19, 2017, 01:54:05 am
worst case is a 40 mile hike home through mostly rural areas. most of the kit is based on camping comfortably. additional mags and ammo is purely paranoia.
but like I said. I still have it all.

the neat thing I'm planning on doing is stop and drop short notice camping trips with nothing but the kit to stress test it and weed out stuff I really don't need. as well as find weak spots.
a hammock, mummy sack, and a tube tent are fantastic for spring, summer and fall. but a heavier set up including a fire reflector is needed for winter. Ideally I want the pack to provide everything I need for 72 hours out without the need to forage or hunt. but I want the ability to do both included. water isn't an issue, we have tons of creeks, ponds and rivers around here. but robust filtration is mandatory. you need sediment and pathological filtration.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: booksmart on August 19, 2017, 08:26:54 am
Are you attempting to hint that your EDC is a My Little Pony backpack?  ;)

*haughty sniff* Please.

Rocket Raccoon.


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Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Grognard on August 22, 2017, 10:19:51 pm
I'm a DoD contractor.
I get searched upon entry almost every day.
guns or ammo - no way.
and the knife can't be too big.
...so basically, my kit can't be overly obvious.
with my truck, I'm golden: it's a massive clutter: I could bring in everything, short of a gun/ammo, and I'd be fine.
but
the commuter car requires more creative packing... what's your thoughts?
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Grognard on August 22, 2017, 10:26:38 pm
I've currently got one of these in the trunk:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61S8tBZBHjL.jpg)
this, however, is right out:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/25/fb/8a25fbf87178fac93e77204a40611527--car-survival-kits-urban-survival.jpg)


a friend and coworker spent an hour being detained while the base coppers tore his car apart after finding his 'safety tote'.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 22, 2017, 10:55:38 pm
I've currently got one of these in the trunk:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61S8tBZBHjL.jpg)
this, however, is right out:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/25/fb/8a25fbf87178fac93e77204a40611527--car-survival-kits-urban-survival.jpg)


a friend and coworker spent an hour being detained while the base coppers tore his car apart after finding his 'safety tote'.

Goodness!  :shocked If you're really concerned about it, I would almost say cache something somewhere. They tore his vehicle apart just because he had a plastic crate that contained miscellaneous stuff in it? Unless you're buying a gun magnet, something really small, and putting it on the underside of the hood or wheel well, I just wouldn't risk it.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: LowKey on August 23, 2017, 12:25:27 am
Goodness!  :shocked If you're really concerned about it, I would almost say cache something somewhere. They tore his vehicle apart just because he had a plastic crate that contained miscellaneous stuff in it? Unless you're buying a gun magnet, something really small, and putting it on the underside of the hood or wheel well, I just wouldn't risk it.
If he puts something on the underside of the vehicle with a magnet that would be tantamount to requesting a body cavity search.  :rotfl
Force Protection has less of a sense of humor than the IRS.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 23, 2017, 01:11:17 am
If he puts something on the underside of the vehicle with a magnet that would be tantamount to requesting a body cavity search.  :rotfl
Force Protection has less of a sense of humor than the IRS.


If he's like most guys I know he won't care if they do anything to him, just don't let then mess with his truck  :neener.

Then again, company vehicles don't count.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: LowKey on August 23, 2017, 03:56:58 am


If he's like most guys I know he won't care if they do anything to him, just don't let then mess with his truck  :neener.

Then again, company vehicles don't count.
Most guys you know wouldn't care about getting a body cavity search? :o
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 23, 2017, 08:40:19 am
Most guys you know wouldn't care about getting a body cavity search? :o

'Wouldn't care' is the wrong word, but pick up trucks are sacred in Texas. I think most guys here would rather be tarred and feathered than to have some stranger poke around their beloved dually.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: booksmart on August 23, 2017, 09:34:58 am
'Wouldn't care' is the wrong word, but pick up trucks are sacred in Texas. I think most guys here would rather be tarred and feathered than to have some stranger poke around their beloved dually.

Is that what the kids are calling their junk nowadays? Never heard that before...
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 23, 2017, 09:51:27 am
Is that what the kids are calling their junk nowadays? Never heard that before...

Nah, older generation of Texans use the term too. It refers to the large pick ups with two rear tyres. I'm pretty certain I'm the only person in this county to drive a sedan.
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Mikee5star on August 23, 2017, 10:40:30 am
Is that what the kids are calling their junk nowadays? Never heard that before...

I like that.  I'm going to start using beloved dually to refer to my junk.  >:D
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 23, 2017, 10:45:19 am
I like that.  I'm going to start using beloved dually to refer to my junk.  >:D

Well, technically there is two, is there not?  :-[

 :facepalm
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: booksmart on August 23, 2017, 12:17:43 pm
 :neener
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: Grognard on August 24, 2017, 11:52:01 pm
 :facepalm  "world's fastest thread-jacking"  :doh 
Title: Re: A thought on bug out gear-
Post by: MTK20 on August 25, 2017, 12:22:54 am
:facepalm  "world's fastest thread-jacking"  :doh

I felt that bug out gear -> non-permissive environments -> body cavity searches -> large pick up trucks -> genitals (specifically Mike's)

was a fairly relevant progression that added value to the discussion didn't you?  :neener