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2A Trump
« on: December 16, 2016, 02:13:34 pm »
He's promised a lot. Here's my commentary on it.

http://www.gundocdoctrine.com/single-post/2016/12/16/Trump-On-Guns

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    Re: 2A Trump
    « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 02:39:38 pm »
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: 2A Trump
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 05:23:40 pm »
    I'm not concerned either way. I would suspect that at worst he does nothing, and at best signs a reciprocity bill that might make its way to his desk. Anything else is icing on the cake, at least we get a break for four years.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    Re: 2A Trump
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 06:04:42 pm »
    We never get a break. The fight for our constitutional freedom never ends  :cool.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 08:36:39 pm »
    Agreed, but if we begin to hammer this iron while its hot the end result will be a lot more to our liking with a lot less work than if we all sit on our fat, dumb, happy asses for the next four years.  If you are not politically involved in the fight for our constitutional freedoms - right now - shame on you.  "Rust never sleeps."   The other side will not moderate.  They will not rest.  They will not go quietly.  They must be met at every opportunity and defeated in not only the courtroom but the court of public opinion.  To do anything less simply postpones our eventual defeat. 
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    « Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 09:42:27 pm »
    Agreed, but if we begin to hammer this iron while its hot the end result will be a lot more to our liking with a lot less work than if we all sit on our fat, dumb, happy asses for the next four years.  If you are not politically involved in the fight for our constitutional freedoms - right now - shame on you.  "Rust never sleeps."   The other side will not moderate.  They will not rest.  They will not go quietly.  They must be met at every opportunity and defeated in not only the courtroom but the court of public opinion.  To do anything less simply postpones our eventual defeat.

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    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: 2A Trump
    « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2016, 02:25:26 am »
    I'm sure his appointment for the SC will be favorable. Point was, if that's all we get out of it, at least we've got four years of not having to worry about a ban or other shenanigans.

    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2016, 04:29:44 am »
    I'm sure his appointment for the SC will be favorable. Point was, if that's all we get out of it, at least we've got four years of not having to worry about a ban or other shenanigans.
    Exactly.  And I am seriously hoping we get two or more SCOTUS picks out of Big T.  I wouldn't complain if it was four.  The potential is there.

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    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2016, 09:25:51 am »
    I'm pretty optimistic about his SCOTUS appointments.  But just as important are going to be his appointments to the lower federal benches.  With the right placements a lot of the crap could be cleared up before it gets to the Supreme Court.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2016, 11:41:19 am »
    I'm pretty optimistic about his SCOTUS appointments.  But just as important are going to be his appointments to the lower federal benches.  With the right placements a lot of the crap could be cleared up before it gets to the Supreme Court.
    True... but let us not forget that Trump is not truly a conservative at heart.  He is a businessman who plays to his base.  While he knows he has to toss us good Supreme Court picks, no one really pays attention to lower court selections, making it more likely that he will fill them with his New York buddies. :shrug

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    Re: 2A Trump
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2016, 11:58:16 am »
    Or we could just see them hang on and refuse to retire.  Unless Ginsburg, Breyer, or Kennedy unexpectedly croak like Scalia,  they could still be there 4 or 8 years from now.   I doubt we'll see Sotomayor or Kagan go since they are both relatively young.   If Trump does replace some of them,  who's to say we won't get another a______ like Roberts?

    Honestly, I don't see Trump acting strongly on 2nd Amendment issues one way or the other,  we'll probably see him acting similar to the way George W. Bush did.  Basically ignoring the issue and focusing on other stuff.  However,  if the GOP congress actually does something positive and gets some decent pro-gun legislation through (hearing protection act, national reciprocity, etc.),   he might sign it.  Especially if it is tacked onto some other large bill.    They key is whether or not they will do that.   The GOP owned both houses of congress for awhile during Bush's term and they didn't do s___.   
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    « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2016, 01:17:56 pm »
    Or we could just see them hang on and refuse to retire.  Unless Ginsburg, Breyer, or Kennedy unexpectedly croak like Scalia,  they could still be there 4 or 8 years from now. 
    Well yeah, no s___.  I don't expect them to voluntarily retire, but with any luck they might die naturally.  The point is, two liberal and two conservative justices are getting old.  At some point they might start dying en masse, during any one four year presidency.  Some president is going to get to nominate quite a few justices.  Might as well be this one.


    If Trump does replace some of them,  who's to say we won't get another a______ like Roberts?
    It's better to roll the dice than be stuck with a known a______ like Ginsburg or Breyer.


    They key is whether or not they will do that.   The GOP owned both houses of congress for awhile during Bush's term and they didn't do s___.   
    A real possibility.  However, gun rights are much more socially accepted now than they were 14 years ago, AND they mean a lot more to the average Trump voter than they did to the average Bush voter.  The party has changed, no longer being the domain of the 'moral values voter.'  They still exist in the GOP, and they still make their presence known, but they are a marginalized faction.  Gun owners are now the central pillar of the GOP.  At very least, I expect CCW reciprocity to be established, If only because Big T made it a big point in his campaign.  There are enough campaign promises that he will be breaking, so I would assume he tries to make good on an easy one.  The HPA was not part of the campaign, but it is a common sense law, so I am hopeful.
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