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Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
« on: August 14, 2015, 07:04:19 am »
So I recently jumped in and got a smoking deal on a NIB Daniel Defense MK18 SBR in .556/.223. So its paid for and the paperwork has started. So since I jumped in now, I figured I go in the deep end. Now I'm looking a some suppressors. Mainly a .30 cal and a .223 suppressor. For the .30 cal, I've settled on the Silencerco Omega I think to run on my SCAR Heavy and my AK. While I know the Omega will work on everything .22 and up, I want a dedicated .223. I like the idea of the AAC M4-2000 for the fast ratchet which would mean that and the fact that it will work on barrels 10" and longer. I like the idea of fitting my AR's with the AAC flash hider and being able to switch the suppressor to different rifles. Does anyone have any experience with the fast ratcheting system with the AAC? Does it lower the decibels to the same level as those that attach directly on the rifle? Are there better choices? 
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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 05:45:08 pm »
    I would same I'm a SiCo fanboy.  I would recommend a saker 5.56 or a specwar 5.56.  I believe many of the brakes are interchangeable whether you are using the Omega/Specwar/Saker. 

    If I had to do it all over again, I would just stick to one brand so all of the accessories are interchangeable. 
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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2015, 10:39:24 am »
    Steventing,
    I will definitely take a look at those. I appreciate the info.


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    « Reply #3 on: August 16, 2015, 12:48:24 pm »
    SiCo has great customer service, should you need it.  I have a number of shooting friends that are machinists there and one that works in QC.  They are fanatical about their work and take great pride in it.

    If I had to deviate from SiCo, I would then check out Thunderbeast or Dead Air.

    Mike Pappas, the founder of Dead Air, was also one of the co-founders of Silencerco.  His Sandman suppressors are fantastic.  They're just getting started but they are great.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2015, 01:35:21 am »
    Silencerco Omega is awesome. Tax stamp came about a month ago and have been enjoying it immensely. It works great on .223/5.56. That's actually all I have to shoot it on right now. My brother has a .300 Win Mag that is threaded but has no optics. We will test that one out when the optics arrive.

    My dad has the AAC ratcheting flash hiders on his rifles. They work great.

    I haven't tested the AAC side by side with a direct thread and a ratcheting flash hider, so I don't know which is best.


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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 07:03:59 pm »
    I owned an AAC M4-2000 MOD 08 and if I had to do it over again I would've gotten something else, but it would definitely be a .30 cal suppressor.  The host was a SIG 556 10.5" SBR and I also shot it on both a DI & piston 16" carbines and I used both of the Blackout & Brake mounts.  The flash hider mount would ring like a tuning fork with each shot and it got a bit annoying after a while and then I switched to the brake mount which acts as a great sacrificial blast baffle, and you will want that with a SBR as the blast will wear the first baffle much quicker than if mounted on a longer barrel.  The back blast was pretty bad on my SBR and it wasn't close to hearing safe.  On a 16" host it's barely hearing safe.  The fast attach ratchet is great for installing but removing is almost moot because the can gets really hot fast and you really don't want to be touching it unless you let it cool down for about 10 minutes or so.

    A .30 cal can will suit most people's needs just fine and there are models that have fast attach mounts between calibers for the same model suppressor.  The suppression level typically will be better with a .223/5.56 with a .30 cal can than with a dedicated .223/5.56 can as it will have a bit more volume plus the tone will be more pleasing to the ear.  The .30 cal can will be heavier but if you want performance especially with a SBR then you will be happier going that route.  The bonus of switching between calibers with only 1 can also adds to the value.
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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2015, 07:46:58 pm »
    This is an older video of me shooting my M4-2000 MOD 08 a number of years ago on a 16" barrel to give you some idea.  You can also see the blow back through the chamber as well.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2015, 08:19:48 pm »
    Your video says it is 'private.'



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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2015, 08:40:31 pm »
    Fixed it, thanks for pointing that out.

    Your video says it is 'private.'



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    Re: Suppressor Advice...And a New Toy
    « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2015, 08:49:23 am »
    I paid for the Omega and sent the forms in with the ATF blood money. Hopefully it'll be back in a month or so ...maybe


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    « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2015, 08:53:56 am »

    I paid for the Omega and sent the forms in with the ATF blood money. Hopefully it'll be back in a month or so ...maybe


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    Did you do a trust or personal transfer?  Ours was a trust and it came back in just under 5 months.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2015, 11:41:11 am »
    Trust but the store that is handling the transfer said the last 3 or 4 they did with a trust came back within a month or 2


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    « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2015, 06:58:03 pm »

    Trust but the store that is handling the transfer said the last 3 or 4 they did with a trust came back within a month or 2


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    « Reply #13 on: December 22, 2016, 02:04:45 pm »
    Okay, I'm new here so please forgive me yet another instance of thread necro....

    I agree with all the previous posters that a .30 cal (or 9mm) can will gain you the most flexibility with a single can.

    What I do want to strongly suggest is that people look into doing Form 1 builds. 
    I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but a few years back I did my two first Form 1 cans, both "9mm" and they were first used on a couple of 300BK SBR's  (8in BBL, a his and hers set) and they worked beautifully,  sounded like staple guns when shooting subs.
    Now 300BLK subs are probably the easiest round to suppress, so while I'm not claiming to have created a marvel of modern firearms engineering I am trying to point out that anyone with a modicum of skill using a drill press and a hydraulic press can make a very decent and serviceable can for far less coin than a commercially made suppressor.   These two were built with Ti tubes and endcaps, with SS baffles in one afternoon while enjoying a frosty adult beverage with inexpensive tools.   8 inch x 1.5 inch tubes, and I have no doubt they weigh more than some commercial cans but on the end of an SBR I didn't feel much difference. 

    What I'm trying to say here is don't hold off on getting cans if you can swing the $200 for a tax stamp just because the name brand cans may run you the better part of a grand.  You can get damn good sound suppression for quite a bit less cash outlay if you're willing to put in just a tiny bit of work yourself...


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    « Reply #14 on: December 22, 2016, 03:58:56 pm »
    Okay, I'm new here so please forgive me yet another instance of thread necro....

    I agree with all the previous posters that a .30 cal (or 9mm) can will gain you the most flexibility with a single can.

    What I do want to strongly suggest is that people look into doing Form 1 builds. 
    I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but a few years back I did my two first Form 1 cans, both "9mm" and they were first used on a couple of 300BK SBR's  (8in BBL, a his and hers set) and they worked beautifully,  sounded like staple guns when shooting subs.
    Now 300BLK subs are probably the easiest round to suppress, so while I'm not claiming to have created a marvel of modern firearms engineering I am trying to point out that anyone with a modicum of skill using a drill press and a hydraulic press can make a very decent and serviceable can for far less coin than a commercially made suppressor.   These two were built with Ti tubes and endcaps, with SS baffles in one afternoon while enjoying a frosty adult beverage with inexpensive tools.   8 inch x 1.5 inch tubes, and I have no doubt they weigh more than some commercial cans but on the end of an SBR I didn't feel much difference. 

    What I'm trying to say here is don't hold off on getting cans if you can swing the $200 for a tax stamp just because the name brand cans may run you the better part of a grand.  You can get damn good sound suppression for quite a bit less cash outlay if you're willing to put in just a tiny bit of work yourself...

    How much did the materials run you?  I don't know costs or even where to purchase the materials.  I don't even have the equipment to make anything.  And did you manufacture your own baffles?  I've seen the kits out there for $200 or so and if I'm going to spend money on a kit, I might as well purchase from a brand name.

    My other question, how to you make sure you line up all of the holes correctly?  That would be my biggest concern, a baffle strike.  Maybe it's easy and I'm just not in the know.
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    « Reply #15 on: December 23, 2016, 02:18:05 am »
    How much did the materials run you?  I don't know costs or even where to purchase the materials.  I don't even have the equipment to make anything.  And did you manufacture your own baffles?  I've seen the kits out there for $200 or so and if I'm going to spend money on a kit, I might as well purchase from a brand name.

    My other question, how to you make sure you line up all of the holes correctly?  That would be my biggest concern, a baffle strike.  Maybe it's easy and I'm just not in the know.

    I picked up my hardware from SD Tactical.

    1.5" dia x 7.6 " Ti tube, solid/undrilled Ti end cap, Ti muzzle adapter, and SS freeze plugs cost me $190.
    Picked up a baffle forming tool from JD Tactical for $110, but I'll be making more cans as time allows.  There are other ways to shape the baffle if you don't want to buy this particular tool.

    As far as ling up the holes-
    The baffles are a pretty tight fit in the tube, so if you center the hole in your baffles they'll be in line.  The easiest way to check this is to assemble the can and simply hold it up to a light and look through the bore.  If one of the baffles was drilled slightly off center you wont see a perfectly circular bore.   
    I was building my cans while back stateside on a brief vacation so I opted to buy the baffle forming tool which also serves as a drilling jig which pretty much ensures you'll be centered. 

    I also used a Ti muzzle break from SD that has acme threads for mounting the can. The muzzle adapter has these threads as an option. Not quite as fast as a QD but far faster than a direct thread on. 




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