Post Exchange => Buy, Sell, or Trade: General => Topic started by: booksmart on March 03, 2021, 03:40:02 pm

Title: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: booksmart on March 03, 2021, 03:40:02 pm
Hi folks -

My wife's JGC is on it's last leg - the fuel pump is going out (stalled four times in 2 miles going to the grocery store, then ran fine on the way home), and the cost to replace it is about equal to the trade-in value.  The engine is fine (just got tuned up about 5 months ago), tires are nearly new, leather interior is in good shape, paint is in fair condition (some peeling of the clear coat from living outside).  It is the inline 6, has roof rack, and step rails.  Pics available on request, and entertaining reasonable offers.  Feel free to ask questions, too.
Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: cpaspr on March 04, 2021, 08:33:12 pm
Ah, top of the tank fuel pumps.  Had the pump go out on a 1984 Taurus 8 miles after a fill-up.  And of course, mine had a transitional pump.  Or something.  The one the dealer's parts book said fit, didn't.  Had to take the one they sold me, and the original back to the dealer and tell them "No, this one is what came out of the car.  That one you sold me yesterday doesn't fit.  I don't care what your book says, order in one like THIS."
Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: coelacanth on March 04, 2021, 09:50:01 pm
Similar problem with a Volkswagen Golf coupe.  Not enough clearance built into the fuel pump and lines to avoid lateral strain on the connections and the result was a "mystery" fuel leak.  Bring the car in to the dealer smelling strongly of gasoline inside the car.  Everybody can smell it.  Nobody can find out where its coming from.  Problem cannot be reproduce by the service techs.  Car comes home.  Wife drives car to work - no problem.  On the way home problem is back. 

Took them two weeks to decide to replace the entire fuel system from the engine bay back.  They told me they would give us the employee discount on parts and service.  I told them they should put that in writing - then send it to my attorney.  Oddly enough, Volkswagen North America stepped in and decided it was a warranty repair based on a previously unknown potential flaw and issued a service bulletin about it.  They also ate the rental fee for the nice loaner car Mrs. c was driving while ours was in the shop.   :thumbup1

As for the OP .  .  .  is the prospect of fixing the existing vehicle out of the question?  Those are pretty decent cars IMO so I might be inclined to fix it and keep it unless there are other considerations.  I am unlikely to be a buyer for it given the distance between us but admit to curiosity about trading what sounds like a decent vehicle because it needs a repair - even a significant one.   :hmm
Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: Mikee5star on March 05, 2021, 02:03:39 am
With thoughts of fixing, my first thought is crap/rust in the fuel tank.  Although that usually blocks the filter sock on longer drives, and then fixes its self while you are standing on the side of the road cursing the hunk of junk.  Don't let the shop replace the pump in the tank without cleaning/inspecting/rinsing  the tank first.  If you have to drop the tank to change the pump, check the tank before reinstalling.

I am hesitant to take on additional debt over the next couple of years.  If you have a trustworthy shop/mechanic, not the stealership, I would ask what other repairs you might be needing in the next 12-24 months.  If all is good and the wife likes the car, think about fixing it.

All that said, reliable safe transport for your loved ones is worth the pain of payments.

I know people who would love to have it, but not at the distance.  Unless you are willing to deliver for the asking price?  And can talk your way through Canada.
Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: booksmart on March 05, 2021, 12:34:01 pm
Mike - it stalled 4 times in the 2 miles to the grocery store Sunday, then was fine on the way back. Not sure I would want to count the times it would stall on the way to Alaska... lol

Symptoms are this: occasionally, the car will start losing acceleration, then the engine will stop. All lights stay on, no alerts show up on the dash, and no codes are thrown by the computer. Trying to restart immediately gives a chugging, but no ignition. After about 30 second or so, restarting is successful.  Will sometimes go weeks without repeating, but, as I said, Sunday was four times in 2 miles (2 on the road, 1 while turning into the parking lot across traffic, and the last while in the lane pulling into the parking space).

Other than this, the car's in good condition... very little rust on the body, some mild paint issues, and the interior's good. Considering that we're coming off of a major house renovation, repairing and waiting isn't a bad idea, but my own car (the Forester) is 9 years old now (and I'll likely keep it until it dies a grisly death, as I am wont to do), but it'd be best if we didn't end up with overlapping car payments, just in case.

Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on March 05, 2021, 07:19:10 pm
Just a thought I don't recall if it pulls a code but I've worked a bunch on WJ's through these years with Sarah's and mine that I sold last year before swapping to Tahoe/Suburban's.

Do some looking at the crank angle sensor and cam angle sensor. BOTH are incredibly common failures will cause crank no start conditions and I did them in both Jeeps over a period of about a year. The downside is one(I've forgotten which) is a super PITA to get to. But do a little research because I may be forgetting codes etc, maybe they do pull a code. BUT I don't believe they do from memory, or don't have to.

Plus side price is fairly cheap and one of the two is easy to change in a few minutes with minimal tools. So IMHO do that one first just in case it solves it;) Then if it doesn't and you think it's the other get a stiff drink and watch some youtube videos, drink another drink and prepare to bend your arms into positions they were never designed to fit into;)

Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: booksmart on March 08, 2021, 10:17:26 am
Those are the parts the AA shop near us proposed swapping out. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me do the easy one, and let them do the tricky one.
Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on March 08, 2021, 11:22:53 am
I'd do that for sure, the easy one is like a 15 minute project with minimal tools from memory. Maybe an electric connection and two screws sits on the passenger side next to the valve cover area.

The harder one(and I always forget which is which name wise but the one on the rear). My trick the last time we did it was I took about 5 feet of 3/8in. extensions and a U-Joint for 3/8 and I laid back behind the tranny crossmember and fed that up into position to loosen while Sarah from the top side guided the socket on, then weasel it out and the new one in and repeat.

Another trick if you do that way, wrap some electrical tape at the joints on the extension, and also wrap the U-joint on there as well. The tape will limit the flop of the ujoint allowing you to control it and the tape at the joins keeps it all one piece. It's not easy but it's doable in a pinch, there may be a few things to get out of the way etc, but from what I recall I avoided most of that with the crazy long extension, since there wasn't any videos or guides at the time at least doing it the way I did.

Good luck and hopefully it's the easier one;) That said the hard one will go at some point that's why typically guys do both but if you know the symptoms then it's just what will happen eventually. Also secondary note if the easy one fixes it and 3 months down the road it starts acting up, still replace the easy one again first. They aren't known to be 1000% reliable and that $15-20 part is worth the trial run even if you're replacing a good part. I have rarely seen the aftermarket ones fail in short time frames and you're kinda rolling the dice but sometimes you get lucky.

Title: Re: FS: 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in Altanta area
Post by: booksmart on March 08, 2021, 03:56:31 pm
Looks like the crank angle sensor is the PITA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzb8yeJZSQY

Cam shaft sensor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCOhgQ6C6w