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Title: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on June 22, 2011, 05:07:28 pm
Provo City range up Provo canyon off of Squaw Peak road. http://www.provo.org/parks.gunrange.html (http://www.provo.org/parks.gunrange.html)

We will have the entire range reserved for members and guests of WTA from 9 AM to noon, then from 4 PM to dusk.  Note the rules in the link above on acceptable targets and garbage disposal.  Basically no glass, nothing messy, and if you're not willing to pack it out, don't bring it up to shoot at.  Nobody trashes the range on my watch, and it's my credit card # that is being held hostage for a security deposit if we do stupid.

We WILL be following the four rules of gun safety.  I run a hot range, meaning loaded is fine, as long as the guns will be holstered, or on the firing line pointed downrange, period. Otherwise they are to be empty, and either cased or racked.  WTA staff members will be volunteering as ROs, and what they say goes.  We're going to have a lot of shooters, and safety is job 1. If you have popper or spinner targets, bring 'em if you want.  Target stands are there, but their condition is so-so.  So if you have portable stands similar to what are used in IDPA it may be a good idea to bring them if you can.

The only firearm restrictions are these:  NO 50 BMG.  The backstop areas are not adequate, and the longest shot available is only 100 yards anyway.  If you're shooting shotguns, see a staff member first, as there are some stipulations involved as far as where buck, bird, and slug loads are allowed and where they're not.  



You are welcome to stay and shoot between noon and 4 PM, but if you do, you'll have to pay the 2 dollar fee, and share the range with the public at large.

EDIT:  The above sounds like a buch of "don't do" non fun stuff.  Sorry 'bout that.  What we will be doing is enjoying a day at the range with good folks.  So come on out!

LATE POST EDIT:  No exploding targets  Seems someone did stupid, so now no one can do it smart.  >:(
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: coyotesfan97 on June 22, 2011, 05:21:06 pm
Wow sounds like fun but a bit far away for me. Squaw Peak Rd?   :panic. Don't let our former Governor Janet know.

Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on June 22, 2011, 05:47:06 pm
Word has it that Harm, T. and Jesse are most likely making the trip. ;)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: HideWithPride on June 22, 2011, 05:56:30 pm
Sounds like a good time!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JKimball on June 22, 2011, 10:20:26 pm
Cool.  I'll plan on it.  Thanks, Norseman.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: coyotesfan97 on June 23, 2011, 06:15:23 am
Word has it that Harm, T. and Jesse are most likely making the trip. ;)

Man I thought I could make it by hitching a ride in The Starship but checking the calendar I have a two day training K9 seminar in Prescott on the 27th and 28th and my oldest daughter's birthday is the 30th. Rats.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: sqlbullet on June 23, 2011, 12:12:05 pm
Gonna put it on my calendar.  Hope to be starting an addition/remodel of our house sometime in the next 45 days, so I may end up moving that weekend.  If not, I will be there.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on June 24, 2011, 01:43:45 pm
Those coming from AZ, let me know if you need a place to stay.  Wife wants a count on the number of people to plan for.  No need for a hotel.  Save that money for ammo.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Corey on June 28, 2011, 01:17:52 am
Looks like I will be able to make it in the morning. I will bring a pretty good variety of guns to play with and plenty of ammo.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on June 28, 2011, 12:10:12 pm
This is going ta be off da chain. 
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on June 28, 2011, 12:11:03 pm
I am going to be there.   Khorne will most likely be there.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Matthew Mayner on June 28, 2011, 01:48:56 pm
I should move to Utah or maybe Idaho Falls.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Roper1911 on June 28, 2011, 03:08:34 pm
Blast, all the cool stuff happens on the other side of the country.
that and I'm blowing all my ammo on the 4th...
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on June 28, 2011, 04:25:00 pm
My dates are clear for the 29th through the 1st.  Now I have to see about the coin. 

Lessee...

Round trip gas, about $400 (4 tanks at 25.5 gallons per tank).  This assumes gas remains under $4/gal of course. 
Ammo, who knows?  I have some, but I need some too.  Might scam some someplace.
Food & beverage, figure $150.
Lodging, nada due to the graciousness of Steven and his wife.  Or... figure maybe a nice dinner for 'em.  $100.

I know Jesse is going, so ride sharing will help.  So looking around $1000 (+/-). 

Normally I could pull a G and be ok with it, but I had somewhat of a... <ahem> financial setback a couple months ago.

Working on it.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on June 28, 2011, 06:27:20 pm
Awesome.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on June 28, 2011, 09:55:26 pm
Maybe we can hit up Norseman on his press during the 4 hour break.  Shoot in the morning, reload during lunch, shoot in the afternoon.  Or maybe I can buy a new press and we can break it in.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on June 28, 2011, 11:13:53 pm
Maybe we can hit up Norseman on his press during the 4 hour break.  Shoot in the morning, reload during lunch, shoot in the afternoon.  Or maybe I can buy a new press and we can break it in.
I do have a ton of brass that needs reloading...
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on June 29, 2011, 02:32:30 am
Negative on the press hi-jack.  Currently the loading bench(meaning all three of my presses, case trimmer, etc.) are not attached to each other.  Nor will they be by the end of summer due to circumstances beyond my control. :facepalm :banghead   But hey, the garden's in and the lawn is green.  That, and thanks to a "prepper" mindset, ammo for this event isn't too much trouble.  Mostly I'm going for the company and the chance to shake a few hands.

However-  Regardless of who brings what, we WILL have a fun and safe day, a decent lunch break, and good company all around.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Lokidude on June 29, 2011, 02:49:40 am
I should move to Utah or maybe Idaho Falls.

You should.  Utah, that is.  Idaho Falls has always left me a bit unimpressed.  Either way,  you're not that far of a haul off.

And I'd love to come shooting with everybody, if I'm not working.  I'll even try and get a couple firing pins modded, so I can shoot the cheap ammo through my AR.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on July 03, 2011, 02:52:55 am
I'm 90% in for this.  I have a bunch of stuff sorted and should be good to go. 

Looking forward to seeing my friends up north.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 03, 2011, 01:16:18 pm
I verified that I have that weekend off. 
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: MarshallDodge on July 08, 2011, 12:57:02 pm
I have to RO for a shoot at the Kaysville range in the morning but can be down there after 4.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Penguin on July 08, 2011, 02:04:58 pm
I am glad I saw the link for this. It sounds like fun. Unless something comes up I will probably be their. The way this year has gone though knowing my luck some one will plan on moving that weekend. Seems like half the time I have planed to shoot this year some one needs help moving.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: HMPlatinum on July 08, 2011, 04:34:13 pm
Too far from Missouri.  8(

Have fun!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 08, 2011, 04:41:52 pm
Too far from Missouri.  8(

Have fun!

If you start driving now, you should be able to make it with plenty of time to spare.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Correia on July 08, 2011, 04:53:41 pm
I can't come because that is the release weekend for Monster Hunter Alpha. Though if anybody wants to swing by, I've got a book signing at the Jordan Landing B&N for the first half of the day, and Layton B&N the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: HMPlatinum on July 08, 2011, 05:10:30 pm
If you start driving now, you should be able to make it with plenty of time to spare.

That will give my lovely bride WAY too much time to boobytrap the house for my return.
Unexpected cross-country trips (especially ones she doesn't go on) make her a tad testy.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: mjolnir1964 on July 08, 2011, 06:36:35 pm
Bugger. I live a bit too far for this...would have liked to attend.

-R.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Correia on July 13, 2011, 12:35:18 pm
I'm signing at Jordan Landing from 12:30-2:30 and Layton from 4-8. There's pretty much no way I can make it to Provo during that. You guys have fun and shoot something for me. :)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 13, 2011, 01:05:34 pm
I'm signing at Jordan Landing from 12:30-2:30 and Layton from 4-8. There's pretty much no way I can make it to Provo during that. You guys have fun and shoot something for me. :)

You should try and come from 9am to 11am or so.  Or maybe the WTA contingent can swarm the Jordan Landing B&N during lunch time.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Correia on July 13, 2011, 03:10:28 pm
I've got a lunch date at 11:00. (basically I told all the fans where I'm eating lunch before the signing so they can swing by and say hi, Thai Delight at 6200 S and Bangerter).

You guys are more than welcome to come and swamp the place. :)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JKimball on July 13, 2011, 10:46:59 pm
FYI for any of you that enjoy trap and skeet, or want to try it, there is a gun club adjacent to the city range we will be on.  Last time I was there it cost $5.50 or so for a round of trap or skeet.  They should be open while we're there.  Norseman, correct me if I'm wrong, it has been a few years since I've been there.   
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 13, 2011, 11:28:18 pm
I love skeet but I suck at it.  If it's there, I'd love to try it again.  $5.50 seems reasonable.  Do you know how what you get for the $5.50?  20 Clays?

Edit: Found the info.

http://myprovogunclub.com/node/1 (http://myprovogunclub.com/node/1)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JKimball on July 14, 2011, 01:02:19 am
I'm in the same boat.  Skeet is fun and challenging, and lets just say there is plenty of room for improvement. 

And cool! It is only $5.00!  Open every Saturday, so should be good to go.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 14, 2011, 02:56:12 pm
I don't do skeet... It's the only shooting discipline that I don't do.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 14, 2011, 05:36:39 pm
I gotta decide what guns I want to bring so I know what to get in the way of ammo  :hmm
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 14, 2011, 05:38:24 pm
I gotta decide what guns I want to bring so I know what to get in the way of ammo  :hmm

I've got 3 shotguns so you don't need to bring those.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 14, 2011, 05:41:57 pm
One thing I think we will need is target stands.  Some Wood and Plastic Board would help too.  I've got a staple gun but I think I need to start hoarding cardboard form work.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on July 14, 2011, 05:49:18 pm
I have a stand.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 14, 2011, 05:53:22 pm
Some PVC and a few elbows and T's are cheap and simple to put together.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 16, 2011, 12:06:28 am
Plastic yard signs like they use during election make excellent target backers.  Target holding frames is where we'll be short.

As far as what guns exactly to bring?  The longest range is 100 yards, and the pistol bay is pretty wide.  Meaning I'd mostly to leave the scoped bolt actions at home, unless you're trying for dime size groups at 100. Or, if that is your intent, that's fine, but we won't shut the range down every five minutes to check groups, so bring a spotting scope. I think most of our crowd will lean towards training/combat style stuff rather than bench work.  I suspect it'll be a little rowdy to do serious bench rest stuff anyway.


The biggest key will be portable stands, bring 'em if you have 'em. 

No shade except right on the firing line, so if you want to sit and relax without muzzle blast, bring some pop-ups and lawn chairs.  Bring snacks/liquids as well, there is no concession stand.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 16, 2011, 12:31:19 am
I'm bringing the Sterling.  You guys can shoot the hell out of it.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 16, 2011, 12:38:34 am
Cool. Sounds like I'll bring my milsurp trio:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/J_M_Lambert/Guns/100_4786.jpg)

And my AK. Maybe the .22-250 on the off chance there's a trip to a dog town.

Probably going to order the 20lb bulk bag of Tannerite this weekend too.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 16, 2011, 01:09:05 am
Quote
Maybe the .22-250 on the off chance there's a trip to a dog town.

Nearest dog towns are at least a hundred miles out. ;)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 16, 2011, 01:17:25 am
Nearest dog towns are at least a hundred miles out. ;)

Yeah, but we're already going ~700 miles and haven't nailed down any plans for Sunday, sooo... we'll see  :D
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 16, 2011, 10:12:44 am
The biggest key will be portable stands, bring 'em if you have 'em. 


I ordered some of these.

http://targetmeister.com/store/product/dirty_harry_target_stand (http://targetmeister.com/store/product/dirty_harry_target_stand)

Should be here on Tuesday.  Now I need to pick up a bunch of 1x2's and remember to bring some screw, a cordless drill, and the staple gun.  Another thing I need to get are some tent stakes in case it's windy.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Corey on July 19, 2011, 12:16:45 pm
I have three home made wood target stands that I will be bringing. Have a range kit with staple gun, some basic tools, spray adhesive, etc. For noise makers I am planning on bringing an M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Ruger 10/22, Smith & Wesson M&P 9, Smith & Wesson 327 TRR8, Colt Commander, CZ-82, Makarov PM, and whatever else I can fit in the car. Everyone is welcome to try out whatever catches their eye.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 23, 2011, 01:32:59 am
This time next week...     :clap
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 24, 2011, 02:33:59 am
Any of you WTA types with blogs-

If you haven't posted a link to this, you're fired.  That is all.
 
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Canthros on July 24, 2011, 02:43:49 am
Any of you WTA types with blogs-

If you haven't posted a link to this, you're fired.  That is all.
I beg off on account of living roughly 1600 miles away. :coffee
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 24, 2011, 12:33:31 pm
http://madogre.com/?p=1508 (http://madogre.com/?p=1508)
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 24, 2011, 12:43:46 pm
Saw that George, then I saw your link to the hot violinist.  My oh my.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 24, 2011, 02:57:01 pm
Saw that George, then I saw your link to the hot violinist.  My oh my.
.... Sorry... I had to go back and watch that violinist again.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: FMJ on July 24, 2011, 03:46:55 pm
Maybe by the next time such an even happens, whether it's UT or AZ, I could fly out there.  :shrug

I'm sure I'll have an AK by then, and I would let that puppy run free america style with real mags and no annoying pistol grip substitution.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: sqlbullet on July 25, 2011, 11:27:06 am
I have 40-50 of the corrugated plastic political signs from a campaign I ran a few years back, as well as a couple boxes of the wire stands.  I will toss those in the truck when I head down.

I plan on bringing the Garand brothers with me as well as a couple of 10mm's.  Another friend will be along, with me and I would guess he will have his XCR in 6.8 spc as well as a few other gems.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 25, 2011, 06:51:20 pm
Met one of my neighbors today.  First time.  Turns out he's a gun guy.  He's going to try and come to the shoot.  Gonna bring him over Friday Night to meet some of those staying over. He has an interesting rifle, it's  a 30-06 Improved.   Never heard of it before.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Roper1911 on July 25, 2011, 09:44:24 pm
I think he means 30-06 ackley improved,
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w3006imp.html (http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w3006imp.html)
I know a guy who hunts deer with it.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 25, 2011, 11:05:07 pm
Most likely it Roper.  P.O. Ackley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._O._Ackley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._O._Ackley) did that to a whole bunch of firearms.  Close to a lot of Roy Weatherby's work in a lot of ways in reality, although Ackley tended to stay with standard type pressures.  Cool concept, and useful in certain cases, but usually a dedicated handloaders proposition.  Kind of like the reason I'm having a 35 Brown Whelen built on my sporterized 03-A3. 

Both of the '06 based wildcats above do have a few distinct advantages:  Longer brass life, better possible ballistics, and less bolt face thrust with the slightly less tapered/longer case bodies.

The big drawback is the custom dies.  $$$$$ OUCH.

Either caliber I mentioned can, in a pinch, fire the parent cartridge, though accuracy usually suffers somewhat.

As for our range day, weather is supposed to be beautiful!  So get on out to the shoot.

 
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 25, 2011, 11:52:00 pm
Good riding weather!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 28, 2011, 12:52:25 am
Update:  Not even an hour after I posted the weather comment, the weather forecast was changed.  Monsoon pattern all week. :banghead  What this means is localized, short duration, very heavy rain in the afternoon and evenings.  Goofy weather pattern, and I've not been alive long enough to see it's like in Utah before.

All that means is we'll have to huddle up under the covered firing line while it rains cats and dogs for 15 minutes, then go back to shooting.

Those of you on the fence?  Get off it.  If the Ogre can make it for the first time in about 3 years, so can the rest of you.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 28, 2011, 12:56:42 am
I'm not afraid of a little wet.  Bring it on.

Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 28, 2011, 12:59:41 am
This has been insane weather... this is more like Seattle than Utah.  So while it's not all that bad - it's just not "Utah". 
I don't care about the weather.  I'll be riding regardless.

Riding home from work in a storm that was full of lightning - so much so that I could taste it and I could feel the hairs on my arms stand up... it was AWESOME.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on July 28, 2011, 01:52:33 am
Bring it.  We've done range days in the rain before.  Not worried at all.

I'll remember to bring my full cleaning kit.  ;)


...so much so that I could taste it and I could feel the hairs on my arms stand up... it was AWESOME.

You do know that that static feeling is what comes immediately before being struck by lightening, right?  ;)


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on July 28, 2011, 11:33:51 am
"If it aint raining, it aint training." - U.S. Army
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Nick Cage on July 28, 2011, 12:15:58 pm
Man, wish I could come shoot stuff with yall! but do you know how far N. Utah is from S.E. Texas? Like 2000 miles which is more gas than I can afford :-(
Yall have fun out there!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 28, 2011, 12:49:02 pm
Man, wish I could come shoot stuff with yall! but do you know how far N. Utah is from S.E. Texas? Like 2000 miles which is more gas than I can afford :-(
Yall have fun out there!

You just need to find a few other folks in the area or on the way who want to carpool!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on July 28, 2011, 09:03:05 pm
I can't wait.  This is going to be awesome."
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 28, 2011, 09:41:01 pm
I've got the fridge filled with:

Dr. Pepper
Coke Zero
Code Red
Mt. Dew Throwback
Henry Weinhard's - Draught Root Beer
Henry Weinhard's - Vanilla Cream

For breakfast we have the following:
Eggs
Bacon
Yogurt
Croissants
Cereal
Oatmeal
Orange Juice
Apple Juice
Cantaloupe
Honey Dew Melon

Wife is also preparing:
Potato Salad
Fruit Salad
Baked Beans
Mint Brownies
Lemon Bars

For snacking we have:
Chips & Salsa

Almost forgot the Brats.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 28, 2011, 09:59:00 pm
Awesome.

Steven, we're going to really owe you.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 28, 2011, 10:11:34 pm
I can't wait to jump on the bike and head out there!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 28, 2011, 10:23:53 pm
I can't wait to jump on the bike and head out there!


We're going to have to get a picture of you as the road warrior, packing your new M92 on the Magna.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 28, 2011, 11:46:28 pm
We're going to have to get a picture of you as the road warrior, packing your new M92 on the Magna.
Unfortunately that doesn't ride well at high speed.  It's going to be staying at home.  The Sterling is going to be coming.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 29, 2011, 12:02:41 am
Unfortunately that doesn't ride well at high speed.  It's going to be staying at home.  The Sterling is going to be coming.

That's good, because I've got a new mount I'm bringing.

Bring along an optic too.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 29, 2011, 01:14:21 am
Fellas, ya all see the bottom of post #1 for some late breaking bulls___.  Slight killjoy for us.  It was in the fine print of the rental contract when I picked up the key today.  New range management and all, pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on July 29, 2011, 01:18:35 am
Damn. 

We'll bring it anyhow in case another opportunity presents itself.  Better have and not be able to use than to find a place to use and not have.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 29, 2011, 01:26:25 am
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50265_241495468572_824588_n.jpg)


Damn. 

We'll bring it anyhow in case another opportunity presents itself.  Better have and not be able to use than to find a place to use and not have.


-T.

Good call.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 29, 2011, 01:31:21 am
No... Ah balls.  I'm going to have to have a word with the management!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 29, 2011, 01:36:58 am
Been trying to.  For six months.  Hard to do when they won't return calls or e-mails. :banghead 

Anyhow, it'll be a great event.  Some faces I haven't seen in a while, and some faces I've never seen. 
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on July 29, 2011, 12:41:32 pm
Ammo in the saddle bags, I'm on the way!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: LouisCQ1971 on July 29, 2011, 04:11:22 pm
I wish I was going you guys! Have fun and keep safe!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: HMPlatinum on July 29, 2011, 04:43:57 pm
Have a great time.

I'm going to go sulk with envy, or mow the lawn, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 29, 2011, 11:45:56 pm
Last bit of safety info.  If you are up on the cement under the covered lines, eyes and ears are mandatory when the range is live.  So, if you're bringing spouses/children/guests, bring eyes and ears for them as well, eh?

NOTE:
 
NOT doing so would would be what's called "Low Class"  WTA and it's members are decidedly not such, right?
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Dragoon on July 30, 2011, 02:20:03 am
Would have been fun to go up, never been to Utah. But in the process of moving so, maybe next time. Have fun guys and be safe.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: sqlbullet on July 30, 2011, 04:01:43 pm
Just got back home.  Lots of fun. Good to put some faces with names.

George took several pictures which i am sure will become available.

Thanks to the Norseman for.putting this together.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: NukMed on July 30, 2011, 07:50:14 pm
Had a great time at the shoot this morning.

Good folks, good guns, good times.  What else could you ask for?

Kudos to the Norseman for hosting the festivities!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: sqlbullet on July 30, 2011, 08:46:51 pm
Wow. Nukmed finally posted.

Range day was a success if only for that reason!
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: HideWithPride on July 30, 2011, 11:37:56 pm
Gentlemen (and Ladies) - thank you. 

I consider you folks to be an outstanding group, and I was in no way dissappointed.  In fact, I was so impressed, that I drove home, and brought my kids back for the afternoon session, just so they could see how WTA members act.

Ben (Norseman) - you are awesome.  George, Steve - thank you both.  Khorn - keep it real. T - love ya, man.  Jessie, Joe - more pics of your projects, please.  Marshal, SQLBullet - nice to meet you both.  NukMed - thank you for letting me play with your 6.8.  And dammit - I've exceeded my short-term recall - so to the rest of you unmentioned folks - thank you very much for a really good day.

George - ride safe, bro.

Hide
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: 21B on July 31, 2011, 12:01:53 am
Thank you Norseman for organizing the shoot--wish I could have got there sooner, but with work I wasn't able to get there til later and only met a few of the guys.  Nice to meet y'all in person, and hopefully next time I will have the day off and be able to fire off at least a hundred rounds next time (not anybody's fault, just wish I didn't work so much sometimes, but I gotta pay the bills and have an excuse to buy another gun).
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on July 31, 2011, 02:20:55 am
It was a blast.  I'm totally beat. 

It was great to see everyone and I hope we'll be able to do it again soon.

I gotta go pass out.  I'll post some pics and some commentary when I'm better rested. 

I had fun guys.  Big thanks to Norse for organizing this and the Steven for hosting us.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on July 31, 2011, 02:21:29 am
It was awesome.  I got to try out a bunch of really nice guns and meet a bunch of really great people. More later.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on July 31, 2011, 02:24:57 am
Wow.

That was a completely awesome day. Great people, great time shooting, and entirely too much great food.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 31, 2011, 02:58:46 am
Day went like this:

Shoot.

Decent lunch.

Group trip to gun store for resupply.

Shoot a lot.

Great food courtesy of the WTA Arizona contingent and Steve's brand new grill.(Charcoal of course.)

Like T, I'm thrashed.  More commentary later.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: FMJ on July 31, 2011, 03:41:16 am
Going for P-dogs, or is that only in Vernal?
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on July 31, 2011, 10:42:00 am
Going for P-dogs, or is that only in Vernal?
only in Vernal.  :-[
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: MarshallDodge on July 31, 2011, 01:21:13 pm
The family and I had a blast, it was good to see the WTA folks in shooting and eating form.  Thanks to Norseman and Steven for being great hosts, and to T for some excellent brats!

I will have to host one of these up at our range in the future.  They had banned Tannerite for a while but rescinded the rule after some guidelines were laid down.

Warning-  NSFW-launguage

On edit:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
 


Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 31, 2011, 03:53:51 pm
The above video was not in any way tied to a WTA member.  That's how we don't do it on our range outings.  That said-

I hope you din't have a beverage half swallowed when you watched it. ;D
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: MarshallDodge on July 31, 2011, 06:25:17 pm
The above video was not in any way tied to a WTA member.  That's how we don't do it on our range outings.  That said-

I hope you din't have a beverage half swallowed when you watched it. ;D
Thanks Norseman, it was intended to an inside joke but I should have mentioned the warnings and disclaimers.  :oops
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 31, 2011, 07:37:53 pm
Quick notes on guns owned by others that I tried.

PSL- Accurate, as expected.  Very smooth and long feeling cycle time.  Lighter in the hands then I expected as well.  Another thing unexpected was the lack of recoil.  A 10 year old could shoot it nearly all day.  Most likely related to the longer recoil impulse rather than it having a fast sharp one I'm sure.  Were I the guy using it for it's intended purpose from a prone position, I believe I'd be in love.  

Sig 232-  Next to my 380 mak, this guns much superior trigger makes little bitty groups at 15 feet seem like auto pilot.  Front sight.  Press. Repeat.  ..... Done.  Doesn't seem to like steel case ammo though.  Tried one magazine of the steel cased Herters FMJ, and had feeding issues.  Back to the brass cased stuff, and it ran like a top.  Fit and finish?  Just like previous examples of this gun I've shot, it's very well made.  Most likely the best built 380 out there.  Tolerances may even be on the nearly too tight side of things, as the owner mentioned it will start acting up a bit when it gets dirty.  Liked it enough I offered to buy it.  No sale.

NAA mini-schofield chambered in 22 magnum-  Neat gun.  The machine work involved in its creation is close to building precision watch parts I think.  A straight up hoot to light off.  The cylinder is actually so small that after a couple fast cylinder fulls, it's almost hot to the touch.  Given the grip I could achieve, and the sights on the little gun, I'd say that in my fold it's title would be that of range toy.  Just my fascination with machine work on it's own makes me admire this little jewel.

AK-74-  After handling and firing it, I now want to try one with a giggle switch.  Bad.  Sick to the stomach bad.  Recoil you say?  What recoil? There's no recoil here.  This example had a pretty decent trigger, good balance and feel in the hands, but there was definitely a little muzzle heaviness.  With that style brake out front, it almost felt like it was trying to nose dive, rather than head for the sky.  The thought of one of these in a full auto configuration just makes me grin.






Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Gunnguy on July 31, 2011, 10:27:16 pm
Wow! You guys make me jealous!
Wish we could put together a Heartland WTA range day over hear in flyover country.
Been so busy lately I forgot to reserve a spot at MZW's shootout day this fall.
Ok, now I'm depressed. *SIGH*

Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: StevenTing on July 31, 2011, 11:08:06 pm
Great time.  Thanks to everyone for letting me try their firearms.  I know I had a blast and so did the wife.  Enjoyed the meals also.  We need to do this more often.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Corey on August 01, 2011, 03:00:19 pm
I had a good time at the shoot. I did have to leave early due to work, and I worked all day yesterday too so I haven't been able to post until now. It was great getting to see some of the faces behind the screen names and get some time on the range. I broke out a rifle I have not shot in over 10 years, an Anschutz 1813 Supermatch. I forgot how much fun it is to shoot something that accurate.  A couple of the other left hand shooters took a turn on it and now I feel like I need to start taking it to the range more often. George's new Sterling was very cool and I looked over a lot of other fun toys.
 
I brought my niece's husband out with me (nephew-in-law?) and he had a great time as well. I just wish we could have made it to lunch and stayed for the afternoon sesion. Hopefully I will be able to get the day off next time.

Thank you Norse for putting the event together.

Edit: Post number 200, hurray for me! That is the most posts I have on any forum I am on.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 01, 2011, 06:59:01 pm
Quote
Anschutz 1813 Supermatch
 Yeah, he walks over and says, "Here, want to try this?"  I KNOW I'm looking at money, and I don't even want to breathe on it, let alone touch it for fear I can't afford to pay for anything if I damage it.  Blasted thing had more adjustable points than a thermometer has degrees, too.

1.  The trigger is just, um, just sick.  Really.  Scary light.  A heavy heartbeat could set it off.  But I liked it. ;D

2.  I hit what I aimed at.  (DUH)





Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Thernlund on August 03, 2011, 01:50:02 am
Finally, a moment to breathe.  First day back at work after a 4-day weekend and no remote access.

The shoot was totally cool.  It was really good to see everyone.  Got to see some old friends, like George, Steven, and MashallDodge, as well as put some faces to names, like Norseman, HideWithPride, Corey, sqlbullet, and GunDoc (although I've worked for GunDoc for some time, we'd never met until this outing).

Norse's Saiga's were pretty cool, and I can tell you, Norse with a Saiga 12 is not something you want to tangle with. 

<BOOM!> 
Norseman: "Is he dead?"
Me:  "Dunno man... Looks like he's still..." 
<BOOM!BOOM!BOOM!>
Me:  "Yeah... ya got him."

;)

Norse was kind enough to offer to take my Sig P232 off my hands after having put an entire mag through a single hole rapid fire.  The pistol being a fav of mine however, I wasn't selling.  Sorry buddy.  ;D

Had a breakage with the extractor in my wife's Llama 1911 after I foolishly "bubba" loaded it.  Jesse however was able to find a part online and ordered a new one.  The slide is now with him while it awaits a new extractor.

Of course George had his Sterling out.  I've always been kind of "meh" on them having only seen them online.  But once you get one in your hands it is absolutely a must have.  My wife wants one too.  So I'll likely be picking up a couple one of these days.

AR's, AK's, tactical rifles, hunting rifles, handguns, shotguns... it was a great time.


After the shoot and back and Steven's house, my wife and I headed out for beer brat fixin's.  Peppers and onions with beer-boiled sausages browned over a charcoal grill... it was a meal of epic grandeur not soon to be forgotten.

On Sunday myself, my wife, Jesse, George, and Steven headed out for a bit more shooting at some Tannerite.  More great times.

Steven and Kristin were very gracious hosts, and have my eternal thanks for such fantastic hospitality.  As a small, certainly inadequate, thank you we headed out to The Cheesecake Factory for some dinner on Sunday evening.  I was so stuffed I could barely move.

It was an amazing weekend.  Jesse and I agreed that we need to make these things happen more frequently than every two years.  Maybe we can head out east and do something with the eastern members one of these days.



Looking forward to the next one guys, wherever it may be.


-T.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Khorne on August 03, 2011, 12:22:05 pm
It was a great time.  My shoulder's still recovering from Jesse's Mosin.  Also, I learned I need a Saiga in .223, 12 guage and I need a Sterling. Everyone needs a sterling.  I experimented with different ammo for my PSL.  I heard they were ammo sensitive...but dang.
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Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on August 03, 2011, 12:44:38 pm
We need to do this more often.

That really can't be said enough. Everyone there is like extended family.

My shoulder's still recovering from Jesse's Mosin.

 :devillol I must be getting used to it.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 03, 2011, 11:41:22 pm
Khorne-  It's not just your PSL.  I've had several guns do that, lessee.... a 308, a 30-06, a 223, and a couple SKS rifles that show a definite ammo preference.  And it really shows up with glass on top of the rifle.  

The 06 is a bolt action Ruger M77.  With Lake City surplus ball, I was getting a 5" shotgun pattern at 100 yards.  Went over the basics in my head.  "Huh. Yup, doing it right. Did I buy a crap rifle here?"  Pulled out a coveted box of federal 168 gold medal match-  Five shot group right at 1" first try.

223 is a Browning A bolt a friend owns.  Tried zeroing it with 55 grain black box wolf.  See above^^^ yup.  Shotgun at 100 yards.  Let him try some of my black hills loads-  Bingo, under an inch.

Savage 110 in 308, owned by the guy building my 35 Brown-Whelen:  Shooting surplus ball from the mid 70's, it couldn't break 3 inches at 100 to save its life.  Tried some standard Federal 150 soft point ammo-  1.5" @ 100.

My SKS's(Chinese, yugo, and Russian) suffer greatly in the accuracy dept. depending in the ammo.  My SKS rifles show a distinct preference for the white box stuff made in the Ulyanovsk plant.  Both on target, and over the chrono.  Runs nearly 200 fps faster than most of the other stuff, and the SD numbers were in the low 20's.  Accuracy on paper, while not match, was easily better than any of the other com-bloc stuff I tried.  
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on August 03, 2011, 11:48:00 pm
Basically Zack just learned that Ammo Selection is critical.  The Gun is just the Launcher for that Projectile and the better the Projectile, the better the result.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 04, 2011, 12:30:47 am
Which is why he can make headshots with a certain 41 mag revolver at 50 yards.  Hand loaded ammo that is tuned to the gun.  Shoots 1" all day, every day off bags at 25 yards, so a correctly executed free standing shot hitting within a 4-6" circle at 50 is easily doable.

More thoughts specific to the day and my guns-

I may be rethinking my stock option on the S-12s.  Stock came loose after only 15 rounds of slugs, and about 30 or so OO buck.  All were admittedly full power 2 3/4 loads, but not even 3 inch magnums and the stock works loose with that low of a round count?  Not good that.  Granted, Remington Buckhammers certainly have the "hammer" part right, but I need the s-12s to be dead nuts reliable like the 223 is.  Different stock option may be in order.

223 Saiga.  Flawless.  As always.  Damn I love that rifle.  Nearly perfect.  Just lacks effective sights in low light.  If I can fix that without changing the balance or feel, it'll be perfect in my book.

Makarov-  Ran like a top, even when gun doc shot it like a mini-gun.  Looks good too, with the 2 tone dura-coat and the mak-a-wrap grips. ;)

308 Saiga 16" carbine-  I want to love this gun, I really do.  Alas, I can't. - Why not, you say?  Well-  It's accurate(2 MOA with good commie ammo, haven't tried match ammo yet), it handles well and points quickly enough(though with my deep chest and short arms I need a shorter stock on it than the one it currently wears for it to be just right), it's reliable(I have yet to have a single issue that way outside of a magazine problem), and therein lies the rub-
I cannot, for the life of me, find reliable/durable magazines except the 10 round factory ones.  Twenty rounders would be perfect.  Surefire just isn't there quality wise, so I'll just let this gun continue to take a back seat to the FAL for now.

Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: GeorgeHill on August 04, 2011, 12:50:38 am
I may be rethinking my stock option on the S-12s.  Stock came loose after only 15 rounds of slugs, and about 30 or so OO buck. 
You should totally get rid of it... you know... trade it off for something...
 >:D
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 04, 2011, 01:02:25 am
The stock George, the stock :neener.  Yes, I should get rid of it.  That gun deserves a stock that will stay with it capability wise.  Oh yeah, in the magazine availability department, S12s suck.
Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: Gunnguy on August 04, 2011, 09:16:56 pm
 ::)

I just did something stupid, or really awesome.

I'll PM you George.


Tee hee!

Title: Re: Northern Utah range day July 30th, 2011
Post by: JesseL on August 04, 2011, 10:56:42 pm
Had a breakage with the extractor in my wife's Llama 1911 after I foolishly "bubba" loaded it.  Jesse however was able to find a part online and ordered a new one.  The slide is now with him while it awaits a new extractor.

It's now got the new extractor in and heads back to casa Hernlund on the morrow.