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Title: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 28, 2018, 09:16:42 am
So I've been expanding guns fairly quickly with the new CAD designed stuff on both kydex and leather since if I'm going to model something I'll typically just make it for both if it's not something I've got currently in leather.

None the less my gun list on the site isn't current ideally it will be later today/tomorrow as time permits. But with all the holster models and manually inputting models it's a time suck to actually get it all up to date and honestly lately I've been just too busy building gear to actually sit down and be the tech guy for 5-6 hours inputting gun models;)

Either way I've added quite a few guns and one in particular that has some back story. So one of the guns I flat out couldn't get no matter how hard I tried was the HK P7 PSP. And I tried, not because I have a huge call for holsters for it, for some reason it just stuck in my brain all these years that I couldn't get it and it kept irritating me;) So 8 years into my time as a holster maker and 8 years into looking for one I finally got the option to get all the specs from the gun yesterday. And I quickly modeled it all out and made a dummy gun. So I can now build holsters for the HK P7 PSP! Mostly it's just purely the fact that it's been bugging me for years not being able to do it, so if you're one of the guys who like the squeeze cock guns I've got you covered now;)

On other guns so funny enough I didn't itemize exactly which ones are new, so here is a short list of ones that I know aren't currently up there but I can support for leather.

Virtually all of the Sig P320's, if you've got a 320 I can pretty much build for it.
STI 2011 Tactical 4in.
STI 2011 Edge 5in.
Kimber K6S 2in.
Kimber K6S 3in.
1911 Long Slide 6in.
Colt Cobra(old version 1960's, this is coming in around 2 weeks when the customer stops by, I'll model and build it)
EAA Witness Hunter 6in.
EAA Witness (specify model/barrel length)
RIA Baby rock
Ruger LCP 2
S&W J-frame SW360
S&W Model 327 TRR8 Without Bottom Rail
Taurus 445 Ultralight 44SPC
Taurus PT 111 G2
Taurus PT145 (2nd gen non-railed)

And actually since I did this inventory I've got a few more to add to the list. So at least for now the guns I can support is increasing significantly and if you've got an oddball gun or something I don't support currently just give me a shout I can probably sort out a way to build it for ya.

Take care!

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: MTK20 on November 28, 2018, 10:52:56 am
The TRR8, I'm guessing that's the 5 inch version (seeing as you mentioned the rail)?

Mine is the 5 inch.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 28, 2018, 10:55:11 am
Correct;) I will edit that, I had Sarah typing up the names of things when doing the inventory and yeah I was giving her information that I would recognize the gun from rather than what should be on the site;)

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: MTK20 on November 28, 2018, 10:59:45 am
Correct;) I will edit that, I had Sarah typing up the names of things when doing the inventory and yeah I was giving her information that I would recognize the gun from rather than what should be on the site;)

Luke

 :thumbup1

An N Frame is a bit big to carry, but I've dreamed of carrying my TRR8 for years  :hmm .
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 28, 2018, 01:54:49 pm
(http://adamsholsters.com/forumimages/robert-n-trr8.jpg)

It's doable;) It's not a small gun though;)

That said I'll also be adding the normal EAA Witness guns later this week, I just got done measuring one of those in the shop with the customer. I'm actually going to have to do some investigation into their line a bit closer since there is some spec differences I didn't expect to see between the ones I had modeled before and the one I just had in hand. So more info coming there;)

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 28, 2018, 02:52:54 pm
Another note for anyone reading this, EAA's so I thought I had a good handle on them. But after looking at the 45acp witness today and spec'd it out it's very different in allot of places than the 10mm EAA Hunter I had previously spec'd out. Where I did believe they would be dang close come to find out they are quite different in allot of places.

So if someone reading this happens to be an expert of some sort on EAA guns shoot me a note I've got some questions especially between the current generation and probably the older series which appears closer to the CZ75 spec.

Luke

Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: LowKey on November 28, 2018, 11:57:20 pm
Another note for anyone reading this, EAA's so I thought I had a good handle on them. But after looking at the 45acp witness today and spec'd it out it's very different in allot of places than the 10mm EAA Hunter I had previously spec'd out. Where I did believe they would be dang close come to find out they are quite different in allot of places.

So if someone reading this happens to be an expert of some sort on EAA guns shoot me a note I've got some questions especially between the current generation and probably the older series which appears closer to the CZ75 spec.

Luke
I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I suspect you may have run into the small frame vs large frame issue, which is not the same thing as full size vs compact. Large vs small has to do with grip/mag well size to accommodate a given caliber.
Small frame was 9mm and .40, large frame was .45acp and 10mm  up through 2005 or thereabouts. 
Post-2005 they went with large frame for all calibers. 
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 29, 2018, 12:34:20 am
There are also different models within the frame sizes.  I have an older .45 and bought a 10mm conversion kit for it.  Turns out it didn't fit.  Had to send it back and trade it in on a 10mm pistol.  So now I have two.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 29, 2018, 08:30:36 am
I'll post some pictures later today but you may be right about the frame changes being the issue. What threw me was the Hunter was 10mm and the witness was 45acp which I'd have thought would share the same frame/slide dimension. But the thickness of the slide is significantly different like 5mm or something will have to look at the numbers. But the slide on this witness reminded me size wise of a cz75 just normal where that hunter is not the same profile.

Either way once I get out to the shop and have a minute I'll post some pictures because I'd like to get a handle on what's what with these eaa guns. I've been turning them down for years and now that I've got a way to build for them ideally I can figure out a way to make sure which is which;)

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: booksmart on November 29, 2018, 09:22:11 am
I seem to remember they had an issue with the 10mm, where either the frame or the slide cracked.  They may have bulked up the offending piece in response.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 29, 2018, 11:19:35 am
If it would help, I can get pics of my .45 and 10mm so you can see the difference between the earlier models.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 29, 2018, 11:22:01 am
For sure just email them [email protected] and I'll take a look because I haven't seen one in Google that looks like the one I did yesterday not sure if it's an oddball or rather how much an oddball;)

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 29, 2018, 11:26:13 am
Yeah the older .45 I have looks quite a bit different.  It's less blocky and the finish is silver/gray compared to the 10mm which is more bronze colored.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: booksmart on November 29, 2018, 01:11:08 pm
https://wethearmed.com/handguns/eaa-witness-in-45/msg232370/#msg232370 (https://wethearmed.com/handguns/eaa-witness-in-45/msg232370/#msg232370)
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 29, 2018, 01:35:06 pm
Alrighty so here are two profile shots of the EAA's that I've had in hand first the Hunter 10mm 6in.

(http://adamsholsters.com/forumimages/EAAHUNTER.jpg)

(http://adamsholsters.com/forumimages/EAAWITNESS.jpg)

And I wish I had a better shot but here is the hunter muzzle:

(http://adamsholsters.com/forumimages/HUNTERMUZZLE.jpg)

And the Whitness:

(http://adamsholsters.com/forumimages/WITNESSMUZZLE.jpg)

Now difference in slide thickness as well as other bits, Witness slide is at the thick portion 22.93mm the Hunter is 25.48mm

Frame on the Witness is 25.66mm and the Hunter is 25.55mm which is close enough I'm willing to say likely my measurement on the Hunter was likely wrong since I was trying to be very cautious with an utterly brand new expensive gun. Where the witness yesterday is a used  and somewhat scratched up example to some degree and more of a tool than toy.

Either way interested to hear any opinions on why the difference also the front cut on the slide on the witness, I've not seen where the slide rails are ground flush to the slide like that in other pictures all of them show the rails like the Hunter has.

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 29, 2018, 03:38:30 pm
Yeah mine look different than that.  I'll get you some pics after I get home.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 29, 2018, 03:58:26 pm
So I had a thought that this might be an aftermarket slide of some variety that would explain some of the difference but I just don't have a clue;) It's weird and I haven't found another one online that seems to match the look of it;)

Now note it's not a huge issue since the one yesterday I can build a copy of, I just want to make sure the next guy who asks me about a witness I've got a better idea which ones will cross with what size wise;)

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: Mikee5star on November 29, 2018, 09:57:34 pm
If you ever see a blue gun for an M&P R8 grab it and let me know.  I am not shipping you one of my favorite revolvers, but some day it will need fancy rig.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 29, 2018, 10:02:55 pm
Well I can do the trr8 now without the rail with a few dimensions from you I should be able to do the r8 also;)

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 29, 2018, 11:14:06 pm
Sent you some pics of mine.   
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: sqlbullet on November 30, 2018, 10:11:44 am
 My full size witness is a bit different (http://fellingfamily.net/images/witnessComplete.jpg).  It has the lightening cuts, but the rails are still present:
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 30, 2018, 02:19:20 pm
Alright so EAA seems to have been all over the map over the years;) I've still not seen another one that matches that Witness I had in hand the other day;)

But the good news is I should be able to model one without the scallop at the end of the slide, and run the slide rails out and hit most of them. I do believe these are quickly becoming a leather only holster looking at all the variations they offer unless I can nail down where/when they made changes or models etc to be able to figure it out pre sale.

That's the tricky thing with being a holster maker I know quite a bit about guns and model variations since it's kinda my job but holy hell there are whole sections I'm willing to admit I know very little about;) Even today, I just went and borrowed a bunch of 1911's from a buddy to do a big caliper test on them to compared brands/frames and sizes to try and get a better handle on kydex for 1911's. I knew there was variation and in leather that generally is a non-issue with a little bit of give there. But man they are all over the place brand to brand and through the era's;) My old colt has almost 2mm of height difference to most modern 1911's in height;)

Craziness;)

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 30, 2018, 05:01:22 pm
Do you offer anything for a Dan Wesson 715?   I just ordered a Bianchi Cyclone 111 for mine, and it turns out the damn thing doesn't fit.   :banghead

The model I have says right on the packaging that it is the right one, but it's just a bit too small and I can't close the retaining snap due to the hammer being in the way.   Other than that, it seems like a very nice holster and looks good.  I guess I'll just have to see if a Ruger GP100 fits and buy one of those to use with it.   
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 30, 2018, 05:52:49 pm
I don't at the moment but given dimensions I can make one;) Though I do know my father in law has a Dan Wesson and I'm not sure the model but if it's a match I can just model from his and do that route for ya.

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 30, 2018, 06:43:56 pm
It's the 715 Stainless model,  6" barrel.  Here's how the Bianchi Cyclone is fitting it.  Featuring a special appearance by my dog Betsey.

If I could just shove it down in there another 1/2", or if the strap was just a little longer I think it would work.   According to the Bianchi guide, model 12696 is supposed to fit pretty much any 6" Medium/Large frame revolver like the GP100, S&W 686, or Colt Python.  Other reports I've seen online say it works great for the Dan Wesson too.  Doesn't quite work in this case though.  It's a shame, it's a really nice looking holster otherwise and I prefer the style of it to the other ones I've seen advertised as fitting the Dan Wesson.   
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 30, 2018, 07:02:51 pm
Yeah hard to tell without having hands on the Dan Wesson but looking at pictures the trigger guard is a bit different and it looks like where it comes off the frame is a bit different and the sweep of the front of the frame up to the barrel is more pronounced on the S&W guns which might be what's causing the issue here depending on how they made that welt shape. I'd actually guess that's the issue if they form fit that welt in towards the frame inside the rig.

If it's something your interested in I'm sure I can get my hands on that Dan Wesson and get a copy of it modeled up and made. It's not something I get allot of call for recently but I don't mind building for it.

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on November 30, 2018, 09:50:54 pm
I think you might be right.  If you compare this picture of a S&W 686, the trigger guard seems to slope "up" just a bit.  It's more horizontal on my gun.   I bet that is just enough to let the S&W slide down into the holster just a little deeper.  Ditto on the Ruger GP100.  I'll let you know if I need one made. Might be a couple months though.   

(https://cdn.gun-tests.com/media/newspics/12-4-686-p1-1.JPG)

(https://ruger.com/products/gp100/images/1707.jpg)
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 30, 2018, 09:54:27 pm
Sure not a problem at all it may be something I'll take on just to add to the list but we'll see ;)

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: booksmart on December 01, 2018, 08:02:30 pm
The barrel lug being squared off is probably playing with it, too...
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: coelacanth on December 02, 2018, 01:10:24 am
Yup.  My thought too.  The differences are fairly small but also significant when talking about holster fit.
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on June 12, 2020, 08:56:34 pm
Resurrecting this zombie thread. Looks like the issue with the holster wasn't just the Dan Wesson.   I picked up used GP100 a couple weeks ago and it doesn't fit either.     So I guess Bianchi lied about the compatibility or this particular example is just defective.     
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: coelacanth on June 12, 2020, 11:41:52 pm
That one could go either way.  The old Bianchi company was top notch back when John Bianchi ran it.  I still have a couple of their holsters that are still working well.

Since Safariland acquired them - not so much. 
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on June 12, 2020, 11:45:49 pm
I thought about just getting a strip of leather and putting a snap on each end to bridge the gap.  That would probably be a cheap fix.   The gun stays in there pretty good just from friction alone, so the snap isn't strictly necessary.   
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on June 13, 2020, 05:22:55 pm
You might be able to stretch the strap or the holster but it depends on how short it is, you can do an extender, but that's something I normally wouldn't do for a break it's adding more stuff to fiddle with.

Luke
Title: Re: New guns;)
Post by: ksuguy on June 14, 2020, 09:56:04 am
I think it's more than stretching would go me.  However, I could put a second snap on the holster about half an inch above where the current one is.  I think that would do it.