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« on: February 05, 2019, 09:14:00 pm »
So I started doing some more laser engraving of stuff in the shop, I've for years been getting crap that I'm not doing more branded AH stuff. So I decided to do some lighters if guys are interested go take a look I'm running them at $15 https://adamsholsters.com/store/accessories/lighter

They are not the well known brand as elaborated on in the description because apparently you can't engrave their products without being sued(which I find to be stupid but I'm no lawyer so what do I know).

Overall though good workhorse and they look pretty slick, I'm doing the engraving in the shop and I've found my new carry lighter unless I find something I dig more;)



Take care!

Luke

Oh and I forgot I'm planning to build some leather cases for these also, and I'll support that other lighter brand as well. But that's going to be in the future as time permits, I'll sell those with or without the lighter itself so it won't just be a bundle deal. But it's something else I've got planned going forward along with some other bits here and there.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 09:28:36 pm »
    I'm just surprised that you said you've been getting complaints for "years". I remember when you started engraving. Has it already been years since you started that process? I must be getting old :hmm .
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    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 09:48:37 pm »
    I bought the laser on 10/5/16;) Craziness how quickly time flies, I had figured a while but I wasn't really sure what the date was but I knew it was a while back;) Just figure Eli is going to be 7 this year, maggie is already 3 and another on the way. Absolute insanity if you ask me;)

    That said I've done a fair bit of this stuff that guys have seen over the years just wasn't on the site. Like my hats that I do with AH on them, I've got a new version I made for myself a little while back because I lost my previous one in town. So I'll be doing that sort of thing if guys are interested, I figure I've got the equipment and ability to brand some stuff, and if I think it's a good fit to AH I'll bring it out. I'm sure I'll do some other stuff on the side with the laser just to justify buying it;) I do some shop work with it like my wallets are cut with it, and some other bits here and there. Make custom stamps for holsters with it, even engrave some holsters and original artwork on rigs from time to time. But it still sits idle a whole lot of the time especially with everything else I do in the shop.

    So we'll see but I dig the way they turned out and a bunch of guys seem to like them so why not put them on the site;)

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    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 11:11:48 pm »
    I had to give up on them here.   Most of the year its so danged hot you have to fill the damned thing up every three or four days whether you use it or not.   Had to go to a butane lighter for the ceegars.   
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    « Reply #4 on: February 06, 2019, 12:15:39 am »
    I don't blame ya a bit, for me it's a mixed bag. I Never liked having to fill so often and back when I was a smoker I'll admit while I LOVED my zippo, I carried my bic day to day;) Really the zippo was my lighter for fancier affairs rather than my day to day. But now that I'm no longer a smoker I'm going to give it a go instead of the bic that I still usually carry and see how I like it. I don't like the disposable nature of bic's despite how incredibly functional they are. And as much as I want to like butane lighters I've never had one I actually liked how it worked over the years. It's weird, and maybe I'll end up running a butane insert in one of these as the end result but until then I'm going to try running just as a normal zippo, though I may have to come up with some sort of fluid option to keep it from evaporating as quickly as I've always felt that was the shortcoming if you're not using it constantly and filling at the same rate.

    Either way something about this style of lighter that I really like;)

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    « Reply #5 on: February 06, 2019, 12:27:58 am »
    Oh, I agree completely.  Those things are an American classic - and very functional for what they are - just not as useful here as they were back east.  And nobody will ever forget the first time they overfilled one and then dropped it in their pants pocket.    :shocked   I'm not really a fan of the big cigar lighter torches either - too big and they burn tons of fuel.  Kind of a waste.  These days when I need one I use a butane pipe lighter made by Corona called "The Old Boy".    :thumbup1   The butane inserts aren't bad but they don't hold much and there's no satisfaction like that comforting "whump" of hearing a fluid lighter catch that first spark.    :cool
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    « Reply #6 on: February 06, 2019, 12:41:01 am »
    Agreed, honestly if I could get one that had the same exact flame and lifespan of a bic per fill but looked like a good metal lighter I'd take it;)

    I've got my eye on a few of the "soft flame" butane inserts but so many of them have lacking reviews I'm very leery to spend much money on an insert that might give up the ghost before I get to use it much. Honestly with bic's being so dang reliable I don't understand why it should be so hard to build one;) But who knows, I do wish someone like bic themselves though would make and market an insert I'd buy that in an instant;)

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    « Reply #7 on: February 06, 2019, 01:07:36 am »
    I've found over the years, that those damned disposables grow legs.  I went out one Saturday night, when I left the barracks, I had a black Bic in my pocket.  Sunday morning, I had five of the damn things in my pocket, and not one of them was black.  By Sunday afternoon, every one of those was gone.  I made it to the PX just before it closed, and have carried a Zippo ever since.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 06, 2019, 01:10:31 am »
    Ha;) I actually use BIC's in the shop not because I love them but they are reliable;) But when I burn the thread on everything I stitch I use bic's, though I do hope with an insert to start using one of these. The reason though is I hate throwing them away when they run out of fluid just kinda silly but they have a very consistent flame and I don't burn the leather melting the thread, so it's one of those things;)

    But that said I buy the bic lighters in the big bulk packs and just literally toss them on my bench 5-6 at a time so anywhere in my shop there is always a bic within reach since I loose them. When I clean up the work benches I may come up with as many as 15 of the stupid things but then I fill up my lighter drawer and toss another 5-6 on the bench and repeat the process;)

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    « Reply #9 on: February 06, 2019, 01:31:25 am »
     :rotfl  Had a roommate in Germany get pissed at me because I wouldn't let him use my lighter, to burn some threads off of a new uniform.  I offered him my knife, to cut them.  He refused.  He went hunting for a lighter.  About five minutes later, the room was filled with an awful stench, and suddenly his brand new pants, that he had just finished ironing, were burning.  Guess who got the stink eye?  Though I suppose it could have been because I was laughing so hard.  >:D

    When I carried Bics, I never really thought about it when someone would ask me for a light.  I'd just hand them the lighter.  And off they'd go, with my lighter either still in their hand, or slipped into their pocket.  I learned my lesson with the Zippo, the first time I loaned it to someone, and they decided to show me how talented they were, and popped the lid open (I've seen lids go flying).  At less than a buck a piece (at the time), for a Bic, no big deal.  But when you're talking $10 or more for a Zippo, you tend not to let go of it.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 06, 2019, 01:44:10 am »
    Completely understand actually talking about lighters and thinking about it today I decided to dig a bit deeper looking for my zippo;) I've got a 1963 Corvette Zippo I bought in oh around 1993ish maybe earlier but it's the one that through all of the years I've been able to keep around without loosing. Had an ex girlfriend who had it and wouldn't give it back until I quit smoking. When I quit the first time probably almost 15 years ago now she gave it back. None the less I went hunting for it the other day to compare to these and never was able to find it. But tonight I prevailed and managed to find the drawer it was hiding in.

    I will say I don't know why but I do very much love that lighter, it's just probably 99% the fact that I've had it for so long and it's an old friend in that sense. Each scratch and dent so to speak is a story and I remember allot of them. On the plus side the insert is swappable so maybe I'll run the zippo insert in one of these for old times sake but there really isn't much reason to. I will say something I found funny is the noise of the lid. There is a different tone to these than my old one, could be that they are coated and mine is polished, could be the metal or the age and number of times I've opened mine that the cam is getting weak. Whatever it is that old zippo just the sound honestly takes me back;)

    That said these new ones are very functional I like them allot and while they aren't a zippo they are close enough to give me a bit of that buzz that I get from my old one. I actually took a spin looking at inserts tonight and the thunderbird soft flame butane is pretty dang interesting, but there are some negative reviews too so hard to tell. But that might just be the answer, looks the part but runs on butane and won't leak since it's got a valve that turns on and off via the cam. Might have to order one of those up to try out and see how I like it. Maybe just maybe it will replace the pile of bic's on my work bench, still unlikely since they are just so dang handy. But you never know, I dig the idea of something on my belt always there ready to go that I burn thread with all day everyday;)

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    « Reply #11 on: February 06, 2019, 01:55:13 am »
    Sorta like the difference between the solid "CHUNK" of an older car door closing, as opposed to the dull thud of a newer one.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 06, 2019, 02:01:27 am »
    Higher pitched on the old ones not sure what it is. Originally I thought it was the insert itself but I switched them and it followed the case. It's probably the coating but not sure. It's very similar in sound but different it's just ever so slightly lower pitch.

    Now that said zippo have a trademark even on the noise of their lighters(I mentioned they are a bit sue happy). So it may very well be a deliberate change to avoid that via something in the material or function. This company I'm getting these from seems to have figured out how to avoid the legal issues with lighters of this style since the late 80's so who knows. I would really have liked to sell engraved zippos but wasn't willing to fight for that right in court either ;) I still say their stance to me is like Ford saying you can't paint one of their cars after you bought it;)

    And actually it's kinda soured my opinion of them if I'm honest. I'm not sure why they are so aggressive with litigation against people who obviously have an interest in their brand seems counterintuitive to me but what do I know I stitch leather for a living;)

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    « Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 02:35:47 am »
    I have a lighter that I like, but I'm not really sure exactly what it is. It dries out pretty regularly as well, I didn't realise that was the nature of lighter fluid, I just assumed it was due to a poorly designed fill chamber or something  :shrug .
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    « Reply #14 on: February 06, 2019, 07:18:49 am »
    I love it but since I quit smoking (damn, 6 years and I still want one sometimes) I got a handful of old Bics for starting fires. 

    If that’s your thing, Zippos (or Fauxpos) are the way to go.


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    « Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 01:48:46 pm »
    The lighter in question is the Austrian IMCO - the European equivalent of the U.S. made Zippo.  Same basic operational characteristics - good and bad - but the construction is lighter and flimsier than a Zippo.  They are descended form the old solid brass WWI trench lighters popular with the troops at that time.  The fluid bottle with the wick is removable so you can use it to light candles and other stuff where the frame would be cumbersome.   

    I think the sound a Zippo makes is primarily the combination of the size, shape and gauge of the metal on the cap and also the same factors on the metal spring and retainer.   The very old Zippos from the WWII era feel and sound a bit different to the ones made in the 1960's when I first started using them.  My oldest one has most of the chrome finish flaking or worn off of it at this point but it still works fine. 

    The BIC lighter was and is a stroke of genius.  It was the first mass produced lighter capable of besting the performance of the legendary Zippo and the equally popular IMCO.  It is still better than all the copycat lighters made since the original patents expired years ago.  They are still a no brainer for somebody that needs a little quick flame that fits easily in the pocket and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy or maintain.  I really like my refillable, soft flame pipe lighter but I can buy a hundred BIC lighters for what that one cost me.  :shrug
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    « Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 02:30:50 pm »
    I have a lighter that I like, but I'm not really sure exactly what it is. It dries out pretty regularly as well, I didn't realise that was the nature of lighter fluid, I just assumed it was due to a poorly designed fill chamber or something  :shrug .

    Pretty much any liquid lighter if not a perfect seal so to speak will dry out with time or over a fairly short period of time. Just the nature of the beast. Guys have gone to some length to try and solve that problem but I haven't seen anything that really works other than the butane inserts which can have their own headaches.

    I was talking with Sarah today and she doesn't understand why zippo's or that style of lighter is cool or why it's so interesting. And I kinda realized it's a thing that doesn't make sense to everyone, for me it's somehow built in. Was it my grandpa's zippo, my dad's, my own? Not a clue I can't really say what it is about a solid metal lighter like that. But I think I've nailed down one thing it's the longevity of the design. A good metal lighter reasonably taken care of like that can be a generational item fairly easily. They just are a very simple device across the board and other than their faults like evaporation they just work. Simple mechanical design that is robust enough to last and just works, I think that's why I like them. I even think that's one of the reasons I am hesitant to swap the insert, I just don't trust the inserts to not fail long term and I hate relying on disposable items.

    That all said Bic's have proven themselves despite their disposable nature to be a great functional item. I'll always have them around in packs, and pockets because they can save your butt and they are so dang convenient. But I do like the idea of going back to a metal lighter as a daily carry setup.

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    « Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 02:44:56 pm »
    Pretty much any liquid lighter if not a perfect seal so to speak will dry out with time or over a fairly short period of time. Just the nature of the beast. Guys have gone to some length to try and solve that problem but I haven't seen anything that really works other than the butane inserts which can have their own headaches.

    I was talking with Sarah today and she doesn't understand why zippo's or that style of lighter is cool or why it's so interesting. And I kinda realized it's a thing that doesn't make sense to everyone, for me it's somehow built in. Was it my grandpa's zippo, my dad's, my own? Not a clue I can't really say what it is about a solid metal lighter like that. But I think I've nailed down one thing it's the longevity of the design. A good metal lighter reasonably taken care of like that can be a generational item fairly easily. They just are a very simple device across the board and other than their faults like evaporation they just work. Simple mechanical design that is robust enough to last and just works, I think that's why I like them. I even think that's one of the reasons I am hesitant to swap the insert, I just don't trust the inserts to not fail long term and I hate relying on disposable items.

    That all said Bic's have proven themselves despite their disposable nature to be a great functional item. I'll always have them around in packs, and pockets because they can save your butt and they are so dang convenient. But I do like the idea of going back to a metal lighter as a daily carry setup.

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    Provided you're not standing in a strong wind. :neener   That's one thing about a Zippo, they'll light in most any wind condition.  If you breath on them too hard, a Bic won't light to save your life.
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    « Reply #18 on: February 06, 2019, 02:51:47 pm »
    I'm going to need to see how long my fill chamber lasts. I swore it would evaporate in a mere week or so. Disappointing, really  :facepalm .

    Provided you're not standing in a strong wind. :neener   That's one thing about a Zippo, they'll light in most any wind condition.  If you breath on them too hard, a Bic won't light to save your life.

     :hmm
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    « Reply #19 on: February 06, 2019, 02:55:12 pm »
    I'm going to need to see how long my fill chamber lasts. I swore it would evaporate in a mere week or so. Disappointing, really  :facepalm .

     :hmm

    On duration depends on temp and humidity along with conditions, it's been a while since I used a fluid lighter daily but I'd say if you're going a week you're about average. Give or take a few days on use.

    I'll agree wind can be an issue with a bic but I guess for my normal needs I don't have a problem with it usually.

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    « Reply #20 on: February 06, 2019, 02:59:50 pm »
    I'm going to need to see how long my fill chamber lasts. I swore it would evaporate in a mere week or so. Disappointing, really  :facepalm .

     :hmm

    Lighter fluid is basically nothing more than Naphtha.  But I have found, some brands evaporate more quickly than others.  I can't say for certain, what the factors are.  It might be viscosity, or some kind of custom blend. :shrug   But I use the Zippo brand, and it seems to last a bit longer. 
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    « Reply #21 on: February 06, 2019, 03:01:22 pm »
    Somewhere I was reading that it was 80% naptha and 20% white gas, didn't research any further but that mix between the two might just be the reason for the differences company to company in fluid.
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    « Reply #22 on: February 06, 2019, 03:11:00 pm »
    Somewhere I was reading that it was 80% naptha and 20% white gas, didn't research any further but that mix between the two might just be the reason for the differences company to company in fluid.

    That could be it.  I just know that, when I used another commonly available fluid (because it was cheaper), I was filling my lighter damn near every day.  When I decided to spend a few extra dollars, the Zippo fluid lasted longer.
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    « Reply #23 on: February 06, 2019, 03:13:03 pm »
    Formulations vary a little - mostly depending on where in the world they are designed to be used but the 80% - 20% formula is pretty generic.

    And yes, a BIC lighter in the wind is definitely an exercise in how creative you can be in devising a wind break that works well enough to get the desired result.  That said, lighting your Zippo in windy conditions makes it burn fuel at nearly twice the rate it does in calm conditions. TANSTAAFL :cool
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    « Reply #24 on: February 06, 2019, 03:22:03 pm »
    Formulations vary a little - mostly depending on where in the world they are designed to be used but the 80% - 20% formula is pretty generic.

    And yes, a BIC lighter in the wind is definitely an exercise in how creative you can be in devising a wind break that works well enough to get the desired result.  That said, lighting your Zippo in windy conditions makes it burn fuel at nearly twice the rate it does in calm conditions. TANSTAAFL :cool

    The difference is the level of aggravation involved.  When I want a cigarette lit, I don't want to be farting around trying to get a flame started, let alone keep it going long enough to get the cigarette to it.  I'll take the trade-off.
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