Author Topic: Where is the point of no return? (Read 12330 times)

Grognard · « **on:** January 06, 2021, 07:15:35 pm »

it's January 6th.
my heart breaks for our Country. I love America.

But today, a group of fed-up, un-armed Patriotic demonstrators stormed our Capitol building.
for their efforts, dozens have been injured and/or arrested by Law Enforcement.
And one un-armed female Patriot was gunned down/murdered by Law Enforcement.

I'm highly distressed by these actions and the treasonous political fraud that triggered them.

But I was told today, that if I was included in today's activities (which I was not), I would be out of a job and lose my security clearance: basically, my entire livelihood.

I have used mail, telephone and email to express my disapproval to my elected representatives; from the County, to the State and National level. I've used those same methods to encourage our Judiciary to recognize the Elephant in the room.

All to no avail.

Y'all are Americans, and have heard the allusion of "The Boxes".
The Soap Box, The Voting Box, The Jury Box and the Ammo Box.
The Soap box is thoroughly controlled by people who hate America. What is left of it allows us to fart in a hurricane.
The Voting box has been absolutely circumvented and completely contaminated to be useless.
The Jury box has been slowly made inconsequential and a mere rubber stamp for the socialist oligarchs that wish to rule us.
which leaves...
The Ammo box:
the really really bad one.
the one box that scares us s___less and rightly so. (because we've all witnessed what happens in failed societies)
the one box that no sane American even wants to consider.
We the 2A supporters have leaned on its threat for decades ... "oh,we have all the guns and outnumber all the cops and the military ...dont make us angry"
The one box, I do not want to employ it, nor see it employed in my name.

I do not encourage sedition nor countenance treason: even tho we've all watched the Progressive Socialist Uber-Left wallow in both for all of 2016-2020.

but after this year and this election and, and, and...

at what point, at which line... is THE point of no return?

where do we, or where is, THE LINE drawn?

WeTheArmed.com

MTK20 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2021, 07:29:15 pm »

I'm revisiting WTA, just for this.

I hate to say it, but there is no line. I feel that the events as written in Peter Nealen's fiction will be how things go.

What I mean by that is there's a war, but it'll always be cold. It'll be a modern power struggle via internet and the information age.

coelacanth · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2021, 08:57:16 pm »

The point of no return was passed on the way to the box you forgot to mention - you know, the one we just opened. Pandora's Box.

Kaso · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2021, 09:18:11 pm »

In case anyone thinks these freaks actually support our president:

MTK20 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2021, 09:55:34 am »

Quote from: Kaso on January 06, 2021, 09:18:11 pm

In case anyone thinks these freaks actually support our president:

Interesting

sqlbullet · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2021, 11:24:58 am »

OTOH.

I can see ANTIFA/BLM disguising themselves in Trump flags.

Bedsheets with Mormon scripture quotes not so much:

MTK20 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2021, 01:27:02 pm »

One of the things I've been hearing from word of mouth on the ground over here is: "The cops were too gentle! They took forever to do anything, but when BLM was protesting, they got shut down by the cops immediately. "

They're trying to make this into a race issue. I can't help but feel this is similar to when you have two dogs, give them equal bowls of food, and both immediately go to the other's thinking the other dog got the better treatment.

Both sides moved way out of the realm of "protest" and both were shut down by law enforcement. Yet instead of focusing on the issues at hand, we keep going back to class warfare and identity politics

.

Plebian · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2021, 05:30:56 pm »

There will be no line. People are far too fat and entertained to do much of anything.

They will pick those off that stand up one by one. That person will be just another extremist. They will be one of THOSE people.

LowKey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2021, 12:39:06 am »

The point of no return?

Crossed sometime between 1945 and approximately 1970 when the majority of the populace stopped paying attention and holding the elected accountable.

Everyone wanted their palms greased, everyone wanted "their side" to win no matter the cost. Integrity and honor went out the window. We've been on a slow slide ever since.

sqlbullet · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2021, 09:04:50 am »

Quote from: LowKey on January 08, 2021, 12:39:06 am

The point of no return?

Crossed sometime between 1945 and approximately 1970 when the majority of the populace stopped paying attention and holding the elected accountable.

Everyone wanted their palms greased, everyone wanted "their side" to win no matter the cost. Integrity and honor went out the window. We've been on a slow slide ever since.

This. And everyone wants to think this is everyone else. But it's not. This is not them, but all of us.

Case in point is Kaso's post above. Those guys are not antifa. They are known neo-nazis and skinheads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Heimbach

https://phillyantifa.org/keystone-united-exposed-day-15-jason-tankersley/

Not going to mention Jake Angeli, AKA QAnon Shaman who is a far right activist because the the references I have are all very recent and therefore subject to the idea that they were fabricated recently.

We can't just reject information we don't like, or that contradicts our position on the basis that we also don't like the source. And we can't just accept information that supports our position without carefully vetting it. Pessimistic induction suggest we should be more accepting of contradicting information and more suspicious of supporting data.

booksmart · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:08:46 am »

Quote from: sqlbullet on January 08, 2021, 09:04:50 am

Not going to mention Jake Angeli, AKA QAnon Shaman who is a far right activist because the the references I have are all very recent and therefore subject to the idea that they were fabricated recently.

The guy in the fur hat, with the buffalo horns? *nods* I've seen multiple photos of him at Trump rallies, with various QAnon posters.

I *told* you you needed to pay attention to that BS.

NukMed · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:12:02 am »

So, when I saw the reports of what went on in DC Wednesday, a couple of things occurred to me regarding the peoples’ purpose in going into the capital:

1. If the purpose was to protest the election in support of Trump, call for redress of grievances, and gain sympathy to that cause, then they overstepped. They should have never entered the building. It just gives ammunition to those they claim stole the election.
Accusations are flying about Antifa infiltrators instigating the vandalism and entry into the building.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/jon-rappoport/was-the-assault-on-the-capitol-building-a-false-flag/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/ginny-garner/did-peaceful-rally-end-in-false-flag-with-antifa/
If true, letting outsiders sidetrack them seems like a big fail too.

2. If entering the capital building is an act of rebellion brought on by loss of rights, the frustration that the election is a fraud, and the realization that only violence will right these wrongs, then they half-a$$ed it. Why wasn’t the capital building burned down? Why were none of the Congress lynched? Heck, I’m not sure I even saw any litter outside the building (trashed offices notwithstanding).

It seems to me that whatever they wanted to achieve, either way they failed. The leftist politicians and press are having a field day with this. It will all be used as an excuse to push for more restrictions and loss of rights.

booksmart · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:32:46 am »

All of the calls I'm seeing for repercussions are against Trump himself, for inciting the crowd, and against those that entered the Capitol building.

I haven't seen anything calling for 1st Amendment restrictions, etc. Doesn't mean it won't come, but it's not happening in the heat of the moment, which makes it less likely.

NukMed · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:41:20 am »

Quote from: booksmart on January 08, 2021, 11:32:46 am

All of the calls I'm seeing for repercussions are against Trump himself, for inciting the crowd, and against those that entered the Capitol building.

I haven't seen anything calling for 1st Amendment restrictions, etc. Doesn't mean it won't come, but it's not happening in the heat of the moment, which makes it less likely.

I stand by my prediction. Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I think things will get worse before they get better.

booksmart · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2021, 12:07:31 pm »

Here's to hoping you're wrong. *offers you a beer*

RetroGrouch · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2021, 12:36:05 pm »

To use one of my favorite movie quotes "I got a bad feeling about this". My wife and friends have been doing the "humor the crazy person" look when I talk about it. I spend too much time on the internet reading various forums. The normal blowing off of steam and such dropped off substantially in the past couple of weeks. You know those scenes in movies where people are out in the woods and they say "It's quiet, too quiet"? Like that.

The B&E of the Capital building isn't the event that all that pent up energy (and possible planning) was going towards, there is something bigger coming, in my opinion.

The invoking the 25th Amendment or Impeachment could be the point of no return. Or nationwide gun confiscation. It's kind of like the old line on what is pornography "I can't give you a definition, but I'll know it when I see it".

booksmart · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2021, 12:55:39 pm »

You don't think inciting a crowd to riot and storm the capitol building is grounds for impeachment?

sqlbullet · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2021, 02:06:53 pm »

Quote from: booksmart on January 08, 2021, 12:55:39 pm

You don't think inciting a crowd to riot and storm the capitol building is grounds for impeachment?

I think given the 12 days left in office, it is a distraction we don't need.

Quote from: RetroGrouch on January 08, 2021, 12:36:05 pm

Or nationwide gun confiscation.

This is the one that I think, if it happens, will cause some real widespread unrest.

sqlbullet · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2021, 02:18:49 pm »

What we do need is consistent messaging from the leaders on the right that this is NOT the way. One of the people that buys deeply into this, who is not completely stable, is gonna take a shot, literally, at Joe Biden. That is NOT going to be good for our gun rights.

LowKey · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:03:54 pm »

Quote from: booksmart on January 08, 2021, 12:55:39 pm

You don't think inciting a crowd to riot and storm the capitol building is grounds for impeachment?

Did he actually ask for them to do that, or did he simply keep beating the dead horse proclaiming that their was fraud and that the election was stolen? Ask them to do it directly, or even in the "...rid me of this troublesome priest" manner?

LowKey · « **Reply #20 on:** January 08, 2021, 11:10:05 pm »

I suspect they will keep vilifying him and persecuting him long after he has left office, mostly as an example to others who in the future might try to actually drain the swamp instead of simply making empty promises to do so.

As for the average Joe who supported Trump?
Wait for the labeling as domestic terrorists, ect.
Followed by stripping of 2A rights, via Red Flag or other fig leaves as well as effectively stripping them of 1A Rights through Big Tech's auspices.

Quote from: booksmart on January 08, 2021, 11:32:46 am

All of the calls I'm seeing for repercussions are against Trump himself, for inciting the crowd, and against those that entered the Capitol building.

I haven't seen anything calling for 1st Amendment restrictions, etc. Doesn't mean it won't come, but it's not happening in the heat of the moment, which makes it less likely.

coelacanth · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2021, 01:31:30 pm »

Quote from: RetroGrouch on January 08, 2021, 12:36:05 pm

To use one of my favorite movie quotes "I got a bad feeling about this". My wife and friends have been doing the "humor the crazy person" look when I talk about it. I spend too much time on the internet reading various forums. The normal blowing off of steam and such dropped off substantially in the past couple of weeks. You know those scenes in movies where people are out in the woods and they say "It's quiet, too quiet"? Like that.

The B&E of the Capital building isn't the event that all that pent up energy (and possible planning) was going towards, there is something bigger coming, in my opinion.

The invoking the 25th Amendment or Impeachment could be the point of no return. Or nationwide gun confiscation. It's kind of like the old line on what is pornography "I can't give you a definition, but I'll know it when I see it".

It can't rightly be called "B&E" when the capitol police open a locked door and stand aside while people calmly enter the building and walk up the steps.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/we-need-answers-congressman-calls-for-investigation-after-video-appears-to-show-police-allowing-rioters-into-capitol-building

RetroGrouch · « **Reply #22 on:** January 09, 2021, 02:02:19 pm »

If the Dems have two brain cells to rub together, they won’t try to 25th Amendment or to impeach President Trump a second time. It would make him an even BIGGER martyr than he is now.

But they don’t, and will keep banging the drum until Senile Joe is inaugurated. At which point the most likely target of an untimely death will be Kamala, since Joe won’t make it a year in the office before the dementia is full blown, and Hillary still has delusions of being the first female President.

RetroGrouch · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2021, 02:03:29 pm »

Quote from: coelacanth on January 09, 2021, 01:31:30 pm

It can't rightly be called "B&E" when the capitol police open a locked door and stand aside while people calmly enter the building and walk up the steps.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/we-need-answers-congressman-calls-for-investigation-after-video-appears-to-show-police-allowing-rioters-into-capitol-building

Sorry I was going by initial news reports.

kunkmiester · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2021, 04:19:15 pm »

How's allsides as a source?
https://www.allsides.com/blog/capitol-hill-breach-riot-coverage-demonstrates-media-bias