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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2015, 05:13:37 pm »
I am likely to get crossed up with some of my dear friends here by being like Trump and saying what is on my mind, but here it is.

1. I want to like Trump, I really do.

2. I like a lot of what he has to say.  Much of it I like very much.

3.  If forced to choose between him and Hilary or her like, I will hold my nose and vote Trump.

4.. Something about Trump's super ego scares me.  Scares me in a very deep way.

Allow me to explain:

I'll begin with a rhetorical question -- Is Trump a demagogue?  I fear that he is.   Many of them abandon what they espoused and push personal agendas once placed in positions of power.  The Whitehouse is a powerful place, even with checks and balances from the other two branches of government.  Demagogues begin with noble or seemingly noble intentions and are hugely popular.   Ok, here is where my analogy gets contentious.  Adolph Hitler was a demagogue.  So was Fidel Castro, as was Hugo Chavez and most of the third world dictators who rose to power on populist themes that were anti-government, pro little man, promising to restore national pride and such, and putting aside such inconveniences as constitutional protection of individual rights when they get in the way of governance according to personal preference and expedience.  We see some, perhaps more than we want to admit, with Obama.

I am not saying that Donald Trump is of that ilk.  I am saying we must be very, very careful when we align ourselves with politicians (yes, he is one now) who have extremely strong egos and personalities, who have domineering management styles and serious control issues, and who seem to be telling us what we want to hear.  History has suggested that the warning signs ought to be heeded.  I pray that I am wrong.  I want to be completely, totally wrong.

In the interim, the one candidate that seems to not only be saying what I think most constitutional conservatives (how I tend to approach governance) want in a president, but is walking the walk based on past proven conduct, is Ted Cruze. Not perfect, but he has been tested and genuinely rings true consistently and predicably.
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    « Reply #26 on: September 24, 2015, 05:37:51 pm »
    I am likely to get crossed up with some of my dear friends here by being like Trump and saying what is on my mind, but here it is.

    1. I want to like Trump, I really do.

    2. I like a lot of what he has to say.  Much of it I like very much.

    3.  If forced to choose between him and Hilary or her like, I will hold my nose and vote Trump.

    4.. Something about Trump's super ego scares me.  Scares me in a very deep way.

    Allow me to explain:

    I'll begin with a rhetorical question -- Is Trump a demagogue?  I fear that he is.   Many of them abandon what they espoused and push personal agendas once placed in positions of power.  The Whitehouse is a powerful place, even with checks and balances from the other two branches of government.  Demagogues begin with noble or seemingly noble intentions and are hugely popular.   Ok, here is where my analogy gets contentious.  Adolph Hitler was a demagogue.  So was Fidel Castro, as was Hugo Chavez and most of the third world dictators who rose to power on populist themes that were anti-government, pro little man, promising to restore national pride and such, and putting aside such inconveniences as constitutional protection of individual rights when they get in the way of governance according to personal preference and expedience.  We see some, perhaps more than we want to admit, with Obama.

    I am not saying that Donald Trump is of that ilk.  I am saying we must be very, very careful when we align ourselves with politicians (yes, he is one now) who have extremely strong egos and personalities, who have domineering management styles and serious control issues, and who seem to be telling us what we want to hear.  History has suggested that the warning signs ought to be heeded.  I pray that I am wrong.  I want to be completely, totally wrong.

    In the interim, the one candidate that seems to not only be saying what I think most constitutional conservatives (how I tend to approach governance) want in a president, but is walking the walk based on past proven conduct, is Ted Cruze. Not perfect, but he has been tested and genuinely rings true consistently and predicably.

    I think that's a fair opinion given with equally fair reasoning to back it up. Personally I would take Cruz over anyone we currently have. I've always enjoyed Ron, Rand, or Cruz as far as politicians go. Seeing as there are many Rep candidates and I have not been keeping up with who all is running, if any of the 3 mentioned above were in it for presidency they would be my pick. But currently we have what? Sanders, Carson, Cruz, and Trump? I don't think I can vote for Carson right now after his stance on 2A.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #27 on: September 24, 2015, 05:45:06 pm »
    I think the biggest advantage to Trump compared to the other options for candidates is he is appealing to a large block of voters who are just plain pissed off at the whole political process. That combined with his stance on issues like this I think is a recipe for a win in the whitehouse. I could be wrong, but that's the direction things are heading, I mean look at the media. They have taken every single opportunity to try and shut him down, from both sides of the aisle and it hasn't stuck. Had any other candidate had as much push against them they very likely would have folded rather than pushing forward and winning.

    I'm as concerned as anyone with his history and background in conservative beliefs however I'm of the mind we need someone running the country for once who isn't afraid to say what they think no matter what hell storm that brings down.

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    « Reply #28 on: September 24, 2015, 06:01:30 pm »
    I think much of Trumps success lies in his ego. 

    Those of us who love America want it to be great, and seen as great.  For the last 6 years (longer in the media) we've heard how bad America is.  How much we suck and how we must apologize for America. 

    Even the Republican candidates are calm and respond to those claims and issues quite tepidly. 

    It feels good to have someone hear "America sucks" and to hear them reply "AMERICA ROCKS!  fluff YOU!" 

    Thats what this feels like.  He's cheerleading so hard that it does feel good.  It feels good to see a candidate tell the News they are out of touch with America, they don't know what the hell they are talking about.  It feels good to hear someone in a strong position rebuke PC culture and multiculturalism nonsense. 

    It appeals to the inner one of us. 

    But that doesn't make it sincere and make me trust it.  But I get the success he's having.  I understand it.  I just don't like it.
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    « Reply #29 on: September 24, 2015, 10:34:19 pm »
    I am no Trump fan either but I love it when someone says what they mean and then stands by it. I am sickened when someone recants a heartfelt statement later due to pressure from PC nannies. I always ask, "Were you lying then or are you lying now pussy?" That said, there are certainly times when I have said things in the heat of passion, romantic or otherwise, and regretted the hell out of it and had to apologize because I was definitely wrong. Rare but it happens.

    I may not agree with a certain statement but a person will have my respect for standing fast and telling the world to "fluff Off!" if they meant what they said and stick with it. That I do like about Trump. I also like his lack of fear of the media. He gives no fluffs. Period. His sketchy business and political history, however, definitely gives me pause. Can a man evolve? Sure. I have. I still am. Has Trump? I doubt it. An ego like his is always right and sees no room for improvement.
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    « Reply #30 on: September 24, 2015, 10:39:21 pm »
    Well said.  All of you.  This is the kind of thread that could REALLY get out of hand in a hurry on most boards but here its just another discussion.   :thumbup1

    I think that Mr. Trump is a product of the times we live in.  In the years since September 10, 2001 I have seen things I never imagined were possible and have come to accept them as the reality I am forced to deal with daily.  I feel like we have all fallen "through the looking glass" to one degree or another and the current primary race is just a symptom of what ails us.

     
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    « Reply #31 on: September 25, 2015, 02:48:47 am »
    I know I'm going to hate saying this, but I can understand a lot of what Trump has done in the past and his positions now.  He was a businessman first.  And a good businessman looks around and uses what he can to get the job done.  So he needed to go along to get along so that his real estate deals could go forward.  If the East Coast politicians and bureaucrats are half as corrupt as they are elsewhere, he had to contribute to people he may not have ever agreed with to get permits, etc.  And supported things he really didn't agree with, to accomplish what he perceived as more important at the time.


    I know this because I have seen it close up with a relative who is very conservative.


    Now I still don't want him as the nominee, or President, but he is better than the democrats.  I hope.
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    « Reply #32 on: September 25, 2015, 10:45:49 am »
    I know I'm going to hate saying this, but I can understand a lot of what Trump has done in the past and his positions now.  He was a businessman first.  And a good businessman looks around and uses what he can to get the job done.  So he needed to go along to get along so that his real estate deals could go forward.  If the East Coast politicians and bureaucrats are half as corrupt as they are elsewhere, he had to contribute to people he may not have ever agreed with to get permits, etc.  And supported things he really didn't agree with, to accomplish what he perceived as more important at the time.

    This goes along to get along line of thinking is can easily relate to what Mississippi556 was saying about Trump being a demagogue.  It can mean that for Trump, the end has always justified the means, and as a politician is still does.  :shrug  For the last few months the only thing we have seen/know from Trump is that he is:

    - Good at pissing off everybody.  Especially people you may not like.
    - Good at manipulating the media, because everyone wants to know who he will piss off next.
    - So wealthy, the man simply cannot be "bought."

    Nothing of real substance in my opinion.  One thing that I think is a positive about Trump, as evident in the sentiment of this thread, is that nobody really supports him.  I have yet to see a Trump bumper sticker driving around Phoenix but I keep coming across Carson, Cruz, Paul--hell, I saw a Dole/Kemp the other day.  It's always "yeah, I like what he says but...I dunno..." I guess I am the same way, and will withhold judgment for a more appropriate time. 

    What I will say though is that anyone that complains about the Citizens United ruling or "Dark Money" (:panic) in politics needs to take a good hard look at Trump's candidacy and decide if it is better that people like Trump or Bloomberg continue to buy favors from politicians, or simply become one.  If they have their way, "money in politics" will have a whole new meaning.

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    « Reply #33 on: September 25, 2015, 02:58:42 pm »
    I just want to say that I'm disgusted enough that I may not even vote.   :coffee

    To those who might say that if I don't vote, then I can't complain... they'd be wrong.  All I have to do is force air past my vocal cords and whaa-laa.   :thumbup1


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    « Reply #34 on: September 25, 2015, 03:43:10 pm »
    That is your choice, of course.  Do as you will.

    For me, while I certainly do not love Trump, I don't hate him, either.  Would he be a worse president than Obama, in... any... regard?  I don't think so.  Would we be better off with him, than Clinton, Biden, O'Malley or Sanders?  I honestly believe that we would.

    To be sure, I would take Rubio or Cruz over him, in that order, but the others?  Bush or Trump?  Trump.  Carson or Trump?  Trump.  Fiorina, Christie, and all of the ones that nobody talks about, or Trump?  I've still got to go with the pompous blowhard.  What I find sad, is that his position on deporting the illegals, while nice in theory, will be impossible to implement, and would tank certain sectors of the economy.  But people love him for it...  A Trump presidency would also be devastating to GOP-Latino relations, something the the party can hardly afford.



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    « Reply #35 on: September 25, 2015, 04:09:06 pm »
     I think if Trump gets elected, there will be too much of this guy:





    In this guy:





    I'll pass on voting for Trump. At least Benny had the good sense to shave it off, rather than to comb it over... :shocked

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    « Reply #36 on: September 25, 2015, 04:38:35 pm »
    At least Benny had the good sense to shave it off, rather than to comb it over... :shocked

    It is apparently not a comb-over.  He just sucks at styling his hair I guess.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3143400/Donald-Trump-reveals-ditch-infamous-hair-style-elected-president-carefully-combed-coif-takes-time-maintain.html

    ^^ Video evidence included in that link.

    According to this, for whatever this site is worth, he just never changed it with age.

    http://popdust.com/2014/09/19/donald-trump-hair-photos-mystery-transplant-combover-toupee/




    It is fun to make fun of his hair though.  Heh heh.


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    « Reply #37 on: September 25, 2015, 05:09:22 pm »
    To those who might say that if I don't vote, then I can't complain... they'd be wrong.  All I have to do is force air past my vocal cords and whaa-laa.   :thumbup1

    Absolutely.  The last election I didn't like my choices for governor, so I didn't vote for one.  Liberating isn't it?

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    « Reply #38 on: September 25, 2015, 05:22:14 pm »
    “The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting.” - Charles Bukowski

    I try to vote when I can. I dislike outright tyranny of the majority (as our forefathers spoke out against as well), but I still believe in the system. Then again, I get a free pass, I'm still young and foolish  ;).
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #39 on: September 25, 2015, 10:31:32 pm »
    Well, it does have one significant advantage over being old and foolish .  .  .   :doh
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    « Reply #40 on: September 25, 2015, 11:29:56 pm »
     :rotfl
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #41 on: September 26, 2015, 08:29:46 pm »
    A Trump presidency strikes me as far too similar to a Huey Long presidency.

    But on the plus side, if Trump is president and he enacts the single layer healthcare system he's advocated since the 90's at least I'll be able to get subsidized antacid to deal with the belly ache! :D

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    « Reply #42 on: September 26, 2015, 08:43:24 pm »
    Single layer healthcare system?

    What, pre tell, is that?  :hmm
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #43 on: September 26, 2015, 08:55:06 pm »
    Autocorrect fail on my part.  :-[

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    « Reply #44 on: September 26, 2015, 08:56:44 pm »
    Trump is a whore.  He will say & do whatever it takes to achieve his own goals.  What those may be... 


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    « Reply #45 on: September 26, 2015, 10:22:08 pm »
    A Trump presidency strikes me as far too similar to a Huey Long presidency.
    Okay...  I had to look up Long, but I don't see Trump as the type to call for higher taxes on corporations, to give handouts to the little people.  You do?   :scrutiny



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    « Reply #46 on: September 26, 2015, 10:42:52 pm »
    It's not the specific policy points that strikes me as similar, it's the bully populism, vitriol, and focus on results and personality over rule of law.

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    « Reply #47 on: September 26, 2015, 11:30:10 pm »
    It's not the specific policy points that strikes me as similar, it's the bully populism, vitriol, and focus on results and personality over rule of law.
    Gotcha.  No arguments, then.



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    « Reply #48 on: September 27, 2015, 12:46:24 pm »


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