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RMc

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The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
« on: July 05, 2019, 04:46:09 pm »
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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 09:02:42 pm »
    Don't know how accurate it is, but a movie was made about it, available on YouTube:
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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2019, 09:31:54 pm »
    I hope I'm wrong but I doubt there are enough real Americans left to stand up to tyranny.

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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2019, 11:09:46 pm »
    Don't know how accurate it is, but a movie was made about it, available on YouTube:

    The article referenced is quite detailed, including period newspaper reports, a historical backdrop of state level coruption and post battle events. including several weeks of post battle armed veteran patrols. So it seems some "artistic license" was taken with the movie.
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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 10:43:38 pm »
    I hope I'm wrong but I doubt there are enough real Americans left to stand up to tyranny.

    Well let's see... 

    Women do not start revolutions.
    Men with beer guts do not start revolutions.
    Men with low testosterone do not start revolutions.
    Men over 35 or so do not generally start revolutions.
    Sickly or disabled men do not start revolutions.
    Men who are comfortable and well fed do not start revolutions.
    Men who are entertained do not start revolutions.

    Men who do not respect or value their nation, people, culture or heritage, lack the 'software' required to start any sort of positive revolution.


    So tell me...  Who is left?

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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #5 on: July 08, 2019, 10:36:42 pm »

    Well let's see... 

    Women do not start revolutions.
    Men with beer guts do not start revolutions.
    Men with low testosterone do not start revolutions.
    Men over 35 or so do not generally start revolutions.
    Sickly or disabled men do not start revolutions.
    Men who are comfortable and well fed do not start revolutions.
    Men who are entertained do not start revolutions.

    Men who do not respect or value their nation, people, culture or heritage, lack the 'software' required to start any sort of positive revolution.


    So tell me...  Who is left?

    This Benjamin guy questions a few of your assumptions about beer bellied, well fed, sickly, well entertained, over 35 year olds.

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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 03:03:42 pm »
    Two things to say to that: -1. Yes he does, but the exception does not break the rule.  And Franklin, Washington, Robert E. Lee, etc. were nothing if not exceptional. Not to mention (oops, I did) that they were the leaders and generals of said revolutions, not the ones that did the actual footsoldiering.  Leaders without troops can have no battle.

    -2. And this may be my bias, old men from 250 years ago only got old if they were tough, healthy bastards.  They worked in fields, they walked to town, and they were whittled down by natural selection to be only the most viable specimens from their ancestral genetic pool.  Today?  Hah!  Who here has ever had a bad infection?  A chronic disease?  Appendicitis?  You all (and me) are dead.  Everyone lives now, which doesn't exactly help our genes to be the toughest.  Our diets and environment makes most of us soft too.  Take a random 25 year old from today, and a random 65 year old from the 18th century.  Anything short of a wrestling match, my money is on the old guy.  And maybe even then...

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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 05:17:35 pm »
    Two things to say to that: -1. Yes he does, but the exception does not break the rule.  And Franklin, Washington, Robert E. Lee, etc. were nothing if not exceptional. Not to mention (oops, I did) that they were the leaders and generals of said revolutions, not the ones that did the actual footsoldiering.  Leaders without troops can have no battle.

    -2. And this may be my bias, old men from 250 years ago only got old if they were tough, healthy bastards.  They worked in fields, they walked to town, and they were whittled down by natural selection to be only the most viable specimens from their ancestral genetic pool.  Today?  Hah!  Who here has ever had a bad infection?  A chronic disease?  Appendicitis?  You all (and me) are dead.  Everyone lives now, which doesn't exactly help our genes to be the toughest.  Our diets and environment makes most of us soft too.  Take a random 25 year old from today, and a random 65 year old from the 18th century.  Anything short of a wrestling match, my money is on the old guy.  And maybe even then...

    You said start revolutions not fight them. All wars are old men talking and young men dying. Troops with no leader are just a gang as well.

    I would also like to state that almost every revolution in history has been very, very bad. The US is about the only example of one going well(in the direction it was wished). History would say a revolution today would likely be a crap fest, and it would likely cause a change in direction no person on this board would like to see it go.

    I would hope if a revolution must come that we might listen to some old, beer bellied, sickly, comfortably entertained men. It is likely they they got beer bellied, comfortable and entertained by being successful in what they set out to do. Which is why young men have went to die by the words of old, fat men for most of history.   
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    Re: The 1946 Battle of Athens, Tennesse
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2019, 05:31:05 pm »
    A bit late following up, but oh well.

    You said start revolutions not fight them.
    Yeah, normally I would agree it was a poor choice of words, but in this case my statement was made  in direct response to Wyatt's quote.  In context, it should be clear what I meant.

    I would also like to state that almost every revolution in history has been very, very bad. The US is about the only example of one going well(in the direction it was wished). History would say a revolution today would likely be a crap fest, and it would likely cause a change in direction no person on this board would like to see it go.
    I agree 100% I do not want a revolution, because the best case (if you call it that) scenario I can imagine is a military dictatorship.  Right wing if we are lucky, left wing if we aren't.  A dictatorship, though undesirable, would beat out mob rule from wither side.

    Our founding fathers... Did it right.  And even then they hit some snags with it. 

    This is also why I am scared as hell of the 'Constitutional Convention' route that some on here like to recommend.  With universal suffrage, and everyone with an opinion entitled to participate in government?  Forget it.  Too many hands in the pot, and too many of the wrong hands.  I can only imagine a rewrite of the constitution would look an awful lot like the communist manifesto.  And if we are starting from scratch, do any of us honestly think our new constitution will have a stronger second amendment?  Spoiler alert: It won't.  Same goes for the first amendment.  A constitution written in 2019 would almost certainly have 'hate speech' excluded from public discourse.

    In short, no, better to keep what we have, and work within the system to fix it. 

    That is, if we can.  My money is on our country balkanizing within my lifetime.

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