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Re: Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2019, 02:42:05 pm »
I was more referring to the general issue of corporate leftism than the boycott thing specifically, but I do agree that we should pay attention and plan our purchases accordingly.

Especially when the questionable company is in the gun business or other closely related industries.   For a company like Benchmade, Dick's, or S&W during the Clinton years, boycotts can be effective.
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    Re: Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
    « Reply #51 on: March 08, 2019, 09:59:27 am »
    Probably, but almost assuredly when there are so many on the internet (the modern town square/forum) who tell people not to bother.
    If boycotting was supported, or even urged then it would have more bite.
    You mistake urging caution for 'telling people not to bother.'  Maybe urging just a bit of wisdom and restraint before breaking out the tar and feathers.  Just maybe.

    It seems the left has the tactic down pretty well and seem to be able to influence quite a few businesses.  Would that we were able to do so as well as they to counter to their ideological influence,  but we seem to be too cool for school and won't learn from watching others. 
    You are right, the left does have this tactic down pretty well.  So well, in fact, that they will apply it not just to those they are in opposition to, but to those as well who have stepped out of line in the most insignificant of ways.  'Ideological purity,' was mentioned above, and that is one thing, but their behavior borders on that of witch hunts.  Do you really want that for the conservative side?  Ready to cast someone out because they befriended a Lefty, and reported that 'they aren't all so bad?'  Because that has happened on the other side.

    What about 'MeToo?'  That is another example of the left taking this tactic too far.  Sure, SOME of those guys need hung in the town square, but Many, Many innocent guys are being robbed of their lives, careers, and worst, their reputations.  All against what amounts to hearsay evidence, that is impossible to disprove 10, 20, 40 years later.  And I realize this is not what you are calling for, but it is the natural extension of zero tolerance for questionable behavior.


    They're willing to brawl, and we seem to  be stuck following Marquis of Queensbury Rules......when people in our crowd aren't telling us there's no point in fighting back anyways.  :coffee
    If you want to salvage what is left of our republic, then no, this is not the way to fight the other side.  Digging your own trenches deeper will do nothing but ensure a further breakdown of trust.  By all means, clamp down on companies like Dicks, who have made their positions on the other side clear, and others that take a crystal clear stance against our rights.  Squeeze them dry.  But give a measure of forgiveness to companies that either didn't think of the consequences, or maybe tried to act in good faith.  SA, RRA, come to mind.  I think Benchmade is actually in between.  They did nothing wrong, but it brought to light their leftist leanings anyway.

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    « Reply #52 on: March 08, 2019, 03:35:28 pm »


    Shots fired by coldsteel knives.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
    « Reply #53 on: March 08, 2019, 08:22:42 pm »


    Shots fired by coldsteel knives.
    Those are rounds on target.
    Lets hope Cold Steel has no skeletons in the closet and is willing to stand their ground.

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    « Reply #54 on: March 08, 2019, 08:48:58 pm »
    You mistake urging caution for 'telling people not to bother.'  Maybe urging just a bit of wisdom and restraint before breaking out the tar and feathers.  Just maybe.
    Caution is good.
    Waiting for the proverbial results of a congressional investigation...not so much.
    Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....
    Not as if we're talking about criminal proceedings here, it's the <well known to be mercurial> court of public opinion.
    You are right, the left does have this tactic down pretty well.  So well, in fact, that they will apply it not just to those they are in opposition to, but to those as well who have stepped out of line in the most insignificant of ways.  'Ideological purity,' was mentioned above, and that is one thing, but their behavior borders on that of witch hunts.  Do you really want that for the conservative side?  Ready to cast someone out because they befriended a Lefty, and reported that 'they aren't all so bad?'  Because that has happened on the other side.
    Just because one can learn a technique from an opponent doesn't mean one has to exercise it in the same manner.
    What we learned from Wernher Von Braun was used to put men on the moon, not rockets on London.

    What about 'MeToo?'  That is another example of the left taking this tactic too far.  Sure, SOME of those guys need hung in the town square, but Many, Many innocent guys are being robbed of their lives, careers, and worst, their reputations.  All against what amounts to hearsay evidence, that is impossible to disprove 10, 20, 40 years later.  And I realize this is not what you are calling for, but it is the natural extension of zero tolerance for questionable behavior.
    You're correct, that's not what I'm suggesting.
    "We" have better sense. Else-wise we'd be the loose cannons that the left decries us to be with our firearms. 
     
    If you want to salvage what is left of our republic, then no, this is not the way to fight the other side.  Digging your own trenches deeper will do nothing but ensure a further breakdown of trust.
    Trust? What trust?
    There is no trust left.
    Hundreds of thousands of iterations of the "Lucy-football-Charlie Brown" encounter which have played out have demonstrated this.
    Believing otherwise is wishful thinking.

     
    By all means, clamp down on companies like Dicks, who have made their positions on the other side clear, and others that take a crystal clear stance against our rights.  Squeeze them dry.  But give a measure of forgiveness to companies that either didn't think of the consequences, or maybe tried to act in good faith.  SA, RRA, come to mind.  I think Benchmade is actually in between.  They did nothing wrong, but it brought to light their leftist leanings anyway.
    I'm not suggesting we penalize for errors made in good faith, but the argument of "it was best for our bottom line" should hold no water.   Dealing with the Devil is dealing with the Devil, no matter how much profit you stand to make. 

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    « Reply #55 on: March 08, 2019, 09:12:31 pm »
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    Interesting points on both sides, you two  :cool .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #56 on: March 08, 2019, 09:46:53 pm »
    For better or worse, the aggressor sets the terms of any engagement.   Gun owners and conservatives have been largely reactionary - and thus on the receiving end of this struggle for many years.  They can hardly be faulted for taking some initiative at this late date. 
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    « Reply #57 on: March 08, 2019, 11:53:25 pm »
    For the record, while I may not agree with Kaso across the board; if he shows up at my door pursued by a mob of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches in hand I'd give him shelter.
    Might have some heated debates on various subjects, but no one would be getting to him without going through me and mine.
     

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    « Reply #58 on: March 09, 2019, 12:10:04 am »
    For the record, while I may not agree with Kaso across the board; if he shows up at my door pursued by a mob of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches in hand I'd give him shelter.
    Might have some heated debates on various subjects, but no one would be getting to him without going through me and mine.
     

    Well of course. WTA is small and very much like family. We don't have to like each other, we just have to care about one another  ;) .
    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #59 on: March 13, 2019, 05:55:40 pm »
    Apparently I'm not the only one who is thinking what I'm thinking:

    www.tarzanajoe.com/rules-of-engagement/
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    « Reply #60 on: March 13, 2019, 10:43:30 pm »
    Apparently I'm not the only one who is thinking what I'm thinking:

    www.tarzanajoe.com/rules-of-engagement/
    Sometimes you have to be willing to just go all out and trust that those who know you understand that you're just trying to do what's right.

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