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Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
« on: February 27, 2019, 04:52:03 pm »
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    Re: Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2019, 05:50:28 pm »
    They cooperated to help out with a retarded buyback. Goodwill to local PD and whatnot. People are losing their s*** but I don't see a problem. The bigger issue is the recently (last couple days) uncovered donations to Democrat campaigns but that's not at all uncommon among mainstream "defense" companies. Not really cool, but not at all uncommon. Business is business.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2019, 06:22:30 pm »
    "Defense Company" my a$$.  Their bread and butter is and has always been the civilian market.  Les De Asis can pucker up and kiss my big round butt.  "Business is business" and my business is going elsewhere.   Any gun shop I wander into that has a big old Benchmade display is going to hear about it before I take my dollars elsewhere.  Might not change anything but the point will have been made.   I'm through making excuses for people that should know better and are gambling on my silent acquiescence.   
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    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2019, 08:49:00 pm »
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    Benchmade is aware of the recent post from our local Oregon City Police Department.

    We apologize for the confusion and concern that this post created. These were firearms that the Oregon City Police Department had to destroy in alignment with their policies. Oregon City Police requested the use of specialty equipment within the Benchmade facility to follow these requirements, and as a supporting partner of our local police force, we obliged the request.

    Benchmade is a proud and unwavering supporter of both law enforcement and Second Amendment rights. These are commitments that we do not take lightly and will continue to support well into the future.

    When asked for clarity from Oregon City Police Department, Chief Jim Band made the following statement: “When property is to be destroyed, it is the policy of the Oregon City Police Department to destroy property, including firearms, in accordance to our procedures and ORS. The Oregon City Police Department does not sell firearms.”

    -Benchmade


    They spun this as being supportive of LEO's. I like both guns and cops  :shrug .
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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2019, 09:25:27 pm »
    A) They did not have to participate in this.  A polite "No, thank you."  would have sufficed.  In light of the fact that Oregon just passed "Red Flag Laws" they could not determine whether those firearms had simply been confiscated without due process and should not have been involved in the situation at all.  I don't really give a rat's a$$ what the "policies" of the Oregon City Police Department are and neither should Benchmade Knives in this instance. If the police need additional equipment to carry out their duties they should take it up with the city council - not private sector companies looking to curry favor with local law enforcement agencies. 

    B) Benchmade Knives and/or people in their employ have made substantial political contributions to left wing, anti-second amendment politicians in the name of that company.  Some of those contributions have been in Oregon and some have been for politicians outside the state of Oregon.  I am not seeing any of this as being "unwavering" in support of Second Amendment rights.  Its a nice, boilerplate public relations document designed to paper over the worst of the damage but with the current rash of anti-Second Amendment legislation currently pending in the U.S. House of Representatives those contributions stand in stark contrast with their official, statement.   Apparently their idea of commitment to the unwavering support of Second Amendment rights and mine are considerably different.

    The local police are duty bound to support their political masters - regardless the carnage it wreaks upon law abiding gun owners through the recently instituted Red Flag Laws.  Benchmade Knives is not.  So far they are free to choose what course they will follow.  They will suffer the consequences that all companies do when they venture into the cesspool of political advocacy.   The first rule of politics is this: Friends come and go but enemies accumulate. 

    I don't own a Benchmade knife.  I think they are generally overpriced, over-hyped junk.  That is a personal decision based, at this point, on the perception of quality vs the reality of sale price and has nothing to do with this recent flap.  That said, Benchmade opened up this can of worms all by themselves and invited a much greater degree of scrutiny than they might otherwise have been subject to.  I don't think they are going to be pleased with the outcome of that level of critique.  They just P.O'd a significant portion of their customer base and there is a lot of competition out there. 

    The next time I go into a gun shop and there is a big old product display of Benchmade Knives you can bet I am going to comment on the embarrassment of having that crap in their store before I walk out the door and take my money to someplace that doesn't continue to fund our political enemies.  If you take the recent post of the article by Tom Gresham seriously you might consider doing the same.  Les De Asis can pucker up and kiss my big round butt.  The world will get along just fine without BenchMade Knives should it come to that.   :coffee
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    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2019, 09:06:22 am »
    I'll just quietly point out that "agreeing to help out" is not "currying favor".

    Currying favor is "Hey, got anything we can destroy for you? On the cheap? With maybe some kickbacks?"

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    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2019, 09:57:32 am »
    I think I have to agree with Mr. Booksmart.  If my construction company was located next to a police department, and the Chief came by and asked if he could borrow our excavator for a few hours...  What would I say?  Probably 'yes,' and ask him if he would like one of my guys to run it.  But that's me, maybe others are different.

    From what I gather, the police department had a policy to destroy confiscated guns, (this is Oregon after all) and they needed help fitting the guns in small boxes so they could send them out to be destroyed.  Benchmade had the equipment to help out, and they agreed to do so.  So where is the problem?  That the guns were destroyed?  No, if Benchmade had declined to help, some hapless rookie cop would have spent quality time with a Harbor Freight angle grinder in the PD basement. So the guns were 100% going to be destroyed either way. 

    Maybe the outrage is that the PD destroyed the guns instead of reselling them and saving money for the tax payers.  That I can definitely get on board with, and I would hope that citizens remind the city council about this the next time the PD asks for an increase in funding.  But again, this is Oregon, and the council members - and hell, maybe even the public - are likely okay with higher taxes for fewer guns.

    As far as the outrage at Benchmade donating to leftist politicians, that actually makes good sense for them.  I can see why a company that makes 'deadly weapons' might want an ally or two in congress, 'just in case.'  Do we forget that President Trump once was a contributor to the likes of Hillary Clinton and Michael Bloomberg?  Because those were the candidates that could win in that city and state, and it was beneficial for him to have a few favors on call.


    But if a person feels that they need to boycott Benchmade... That is their right.  I truly believe that individual liberty is the way to go, and that holding private companies accountable through our voluntarily association is the best way to prevent bad behavior in the future.  I just... I can't see this as bad behavior.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 03:45:18 pm »
    Look, the financial company my wife works for is owned and run by conservatives, my wife is conservative and she has a bill she helped get passed hanging in her office signed by Nancy Pelosi.  She personally met with former Senator Bill Nelson (D, FL) and even gave his campaign a donation.  But working with those Liberal Democrats got her industry and company a favorable bill passed through the US House and Senate and signed by President Obama.


    So did the company sell out?  Hell no, they got something for who they worked with, as distasteful as it was.  If Benchmade wants to go public and say, hey, we were trying to help the local cops, those images were never supposed to be recorded / made public and those donations got us X, Y and Z, that would be distasteful, but they could show the knife community, and maybe even the gun community why it made sense.  So far, their official stance seems to be more along the lines of we are sorry we got caught, but we really are 2nd Amendment supporters, without showing any supporting evidence.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2019, 07:26:32 pm »
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    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2019, 09:58:17 am »
    I unfortunately still fail to see the outrage. 

    On one hand, 'they couldn't know' how the guns were confiscated.  That isn't their job either.  The PD handled the legal part, and they helped out when it was asked of them.  For all any of us knows, that SKS could be an illegally modified MG.  It is on the police, how or why they were in possession of those guns, and Benchmade has legitimate plausible deniability.  I would feel different if there was an ongoing door to door gun confiscation going on, because then Benchmade would straight up know that they were aiding and abetting a constitutional crime.  But in this case, all they were doing was being a good neighbor to the local PD.

    The donations is a bit more concerning, now that I have seen the breakdown, but not so much to provoke outrage.  I refer back to my previous response, which still stands, but I also now see that it is pretty clear that the owner of the company leans left.  (so do my parents-in-law, Hard left, and I still associate with them)  The out of state contributions may have a good explanation, which is none of our business to know. 

    The chart showed contributions to a leftist from Massachusetts... but they also showed some to Sen. Scott Brown, a tea party Republican from Massachusetts.  Makes me think that they were really trying to butter up to folks in the Pilgrim State.  Why?  Who knows.  Maybe they wanted to look at relocating.  Maybe to get a contract.  We don't know.  But the nature of donating to two very different Massachusetts politicians would seem to tell us that the contributions were a means to an end.

    I am about as pro gun as I can possibly be, but I reject the idea that a person must be shunned if they are not ideologically pure.  That is what the leftists do, and while the time may yet come for us to do the same, it is not yet.
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    I am about as pro gun as I can possibly be, but I reject the idea that a person must be shunned if they are not ideologically pure.  That is what the leftists do, and while the time may yet come for us to do the same, it is not yet.

    Regarding ideological purity (and deviating from topic slightly), I have always felt that Fudds were more dangerous to gun liberty then hard left leaning "take them all" types.

    Sadly, the soft shelled, 'reasonable compromise', sunshine patriot individuals seem to often be used as the poster child for justifying the signing of anti-liberty laws into place. Because "if Biden owns a gun" and he's okay with some reasonable gun compromise, or if Benchmade is okay with it, or if Dick's sporting goods takes a stand against assault rifles, or if Houston police chief Art Acevedo says that gun owners should be held legally liable for any illegal actions committed by a criminal after stealing the law abiding owners guns....

    The list goes on. These half measure, 'please all sides' individuals will be the death knell to freedom in this country.
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    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2019, 02:02:13 pm »
    I am far from a gun grabber, but yet I have personally done something similar to what Benchmade did.  I found three .22lr rifles in a trash heap while cleaning up after commercial fishermen, no clue when the rifles were dumped/abandoned.  I took them to the local cop, he ran the numbers and they did not come up stolen or otherwise of interest to law enforcement.  I was given them back and told to do what ever I wanted with them.  Two were too badly damaged by exposure and lack of maintenance to be safe to try to shoot, so I cut them up.  I was worried that if I threw them in the dump someone would be injured trying to shoot them.  I made sure that there was absolutely no way to ever repair the guns if anyone ever found the parts.

    I did use the receiver on one of the rifles to build up a rifle for my kid, but at this point I don't think there are any original parts left on that gun.  Except the stock, and I cut that down reshaped and repainted it.  I also did not trust the receiver barrel interface and have replaced the receiver.   
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    Regarding ideological purity (and deviating from topic slightly), I have always felt that Fudds were more dangerous to gun liberty then hard left leaning "take them all" types.

    Sadly, the soft shelled, 'reasonable compromise', sunshine patriot individuals seem to often be used as the poster child for justifying the signing of anti-liberty laws into place. Because "if Biden owns a gun" and he's okay with some reasonable gun compromise, or if Benchmade is okay with it, or if Dick's sporting goods takes a stand against assault rifles, or if Houston police chief Art Acevedo says that gun owners should be held legally liable for any illegal actions committed by a criminal after stealing the law abiding owners guns....

    The list goes on. These half measure, 'please all sides' individuals will be the death knell to freedom in this country.

    Well said.  That appears to be the situation re: Benchmade Knives.   Watching the pathetic response video from the head of the company Les de Asis tells me all I need to know about them.  If they have done nothing wrong or nothing to be ashamed of why did they most recently vow not to engage in any further gun destruction activities?   

    Their response to this is typical of business people who should know better but go ahead and engage in highly questionable activities anyway - usually to curry favor with one group or another or just to try and appease both sides of a controversial issue without alienating past customers and potential new ones. 

    Eventually the company and the people who run it revert to type because the deception is no longer worth the time, effort and money to try and maintain.   Unfortunately the stink and stain of the effort to deceive remain long after the act is done and over with which is why I characterized this latest flap as a "dirty diaper".   Remember the first rule of politics.

    This is not the first instance of this and it won't be the last - its just the one that smells the worst at the moment. 
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    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2019, 02:08:22 pm »
    I am far from a gun grabber, but yet I have personally done something similar to what Benchmade did.  I found three .22lr rifles in a trash heap while cleaning up after commercial fishermen, no clue when the rifles were dumped/abandoned.  I took them to the local cop, he ran the numbers and they did not come up stolen or otherwise of interest to law enforcement.  I was given them back and told to do what ever I wanted with them.  Two were too badly damaged by exposure and lack of maintenance to be safe to try to shoot, so I cut them up.  I was worried that if I threw them in the dump someone would be injured trying to shoot them.  I made sure that there was absolutely no way to ever repair the guns if anyone ever found the parts.

    I did use the receiver on one of the rifles to build up a rifle for my kid, but at this point I don't think there are any original parts left on that gun.  Except the stock, and I cut that down reshaped and repainted it.  I also did not trust the receiver barrel interface and have replaced the receiver.   
    Apples to oranges comparison, or so it seems to me.  You did what any responsible gun owner would do when you found the rifles.  Once you found out there was no law enforcement issue with keeping them you assessed their condition and  proceeded in a logical and reasonable manner.   Unless you have a history of donating money to anti-gun politicians your actions bear little similarity to Benchmade's.   :coffee
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    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2019, 02:12:06 pm »
    Regarding ideological purity (and deviating from topic slightly), I have always felt that Fudds were more dangerous to gun liberty then hard left leaning "take them all" types.

    Sadly, the soft shelled, 'reasonable compromise', sunshine patriot individuals seem to often be used as the poster child for justifying the signing of anti-liberty laws into place. Because "if Biden owns a gun" and he's okay with some reasonable gun compromise, or if Benchmade is okay with it, or if Dick's sporting goods takes a stand against assault rifles, or if Houston police chief Art Acevedo says that gun owners should be held legally liable for any illegal actions committed by a criminal after stealing the law abiding owners guns....

    The list goes on. These half measure, 'please all sides' individuals will be the death knell to freedom in this country.
    What exactly is a "Fudd" ?   Please enlighten us.    :hmm
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    Regarding ideological purity (and deviating from topic slightly), I have always felt that Fudds were more dangerous to gun liberty then hard left leaning "take them all" types.

    Sadly, the soft shelled, 'reasonable compromise', sunshine patriot individuals seem to often be used as the poster child for justifying the signing of anti-liberty laws into place. Because "if Biden owns a gun" and he's okay with some reasonable gun compromise, or if Benchmade is okay with it, or if Dick's sporting goods takes a stand against assault rifles, or if Houston police chief Art Acevedo says that gun owners should be held legally liable for any illegal actions committed by a criminal after stealing the law abiding owners guns....

    The list goes on. These half measure, 'please all sides' individuals will be the death knell to freedom in this country.

    Agreed.

    Well said.  That appears to be the situation re: Benchmade Knives.   Watching the pathetic response video from the head of the company Les de Asis tells me all I need to know about them.  If they have done nothing wrong or nothing to be ashamed of why did they most recently vow not to engage in any further gun destruction activities?   

    Their response to this is typical of business people who should know better but go ahead and engage in highly questionable activities anyway - usually to curry favor with one group or another or just to try and appease both sides of a controversial issue without alienating past customers and potential new ones.  Eventually the company and the people who run it revert to type because the deception is no longer worth the time, effort and money to try and maintain.   Unfortunately the stink and stain of the effort to deceive remain long after the act is done and over with which is why I characterized this latest flap as a "dirty diaper".   Remember the first rule of politics.

    This is not the first instance of this and it won't be the last - its just the one that smells the worst at the moment. 

    Agreed.

    I own one Benchmade knife that I purchased.  I like the design, not an in-house design, but the execution is blah and not worth the price.  I barely look at any of their products and am not missing anything.  I am many times more likely to find a knife that fits my needs, budget, and eye elsewhere.  My money will go elsewhere

    Apples to oranges comparison, or so it seems to me.  You did what any responsible gun owner would do when you found the rifles.  Once you found out there was no law enforcement issue with keeping them you assessed their condition and  proceeded in a logical and reasonable manner.   Unless you have a history of donating money to anti-gun politicians your actions bear little similarity to Benchmade's.   :coffee

    I was very strongly encouraged by Troopers, not local cop to destroy the rifles.  The fact that I took pics of the destroyed pieces and showed the trooper could be considered "currying favor".

    What exactly is a "Fudd" ?   Please enlighten us.    :hmm

    It refers to Elmer Fudd.  An unflattering description of the one gun owning hunter.  Generally implies incompetent uninformed gun owners.
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    What exactly is a "Fudd" ?   Please enlighten us.    :hmm
    You don't know the term, or are you asking rhetorically?

    If you don't, they were the typical older gun owners who would tell us we 'don't need an AR-47 with 30 bullets in the clip to hunt deer.'  Never mind the intent of the founders, the second amendment is for hunting.  Those guys.  They were much more prevalent in decades past, but they are starting to die off and be less involved in the conversation.

    A more modern example would be the dick who owns Dick's.
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    « Reply #17 on: March 01, 2019, 02:49:01 pm »
    What exactly is a "Fudd" ?   Please enlighten us.    :hmm

    It's not a very nice term. It's a pejorative term used to show contempt for those gun owners who are all about 'reasonable compromises'. Much like the cartoon character Elmer Fudd, these individuals only carry a traditional gun afield during hunting season and have a habit of lambasting anyone who conceal carries or who would own a military style semi auto. For CHL they typically call them "paranoid" and for the military weapons, they say something along the lines of their owners having a "Rambo mindset".

    Basically, guns that venture into modernism or self preservation are "bad". Guns are only for putting meat on the table.

    I've met a few of them and, while not becoming, I take as dim of a view of them as they do of most modern gun owners. Old southern blue dog democrats come to mind and they are always ready to throw the AR-15 owner under the bus when a new gun control law is mentioned to be in the works.

    Hope that clarifies my stance.
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    « Reply #18 on: March 01, 2019, 02:52:55 pm »
    Agreed.

    Agreed.

    I own one Benchmade knife that I purchased.  I like the design, not an in-house design, but the execution is blah and not worth the price.  I barely look at any of their products and am not missing anything.  I am many times more likely to find a knife that fits my needs, budget, and eye elsewhere.  My money will go elsewhere

    Mine too.
    I was very strongly encouraged by Troopers, not local cop to destroy the rifles.  The fact that I took pics of the destroyed pieces and showed the trooper could be considered "currying favor".
    I respectfully disagree.  Your situation was completely different than Benchmade's as you had nothing to gain from following the troopers' recommendations - unless there's more to the story than you have already said.  Following the recommendation ( at least partially ) and having evidence of it is simply a common sense way to proceed under the circumstances.  Textbook case of "the reasonable man" standard.

    It refers to Elmer Fudd.  An unflattering description of the one gun owning hunter.  Generally implies incompetent uninformed gun owners.
    Well, I guess you could call most of my family "Fudds" then.  Generations of us had one or two guns at home that did all the jobs required of them by farm families.   Betting on those people being incompetent would have been unwise.  Uninformed was probably closer to the truth but they lived in a time and place when the current anti-gun hysteria was unthinkable.   Owning and using a gun - any gun - was no more remarkable than owning and using farming equipment.   These are the same people who, when called upon, went and joined the armed forces of their country, familiarized themselves with the weapons of war and beat the best that the rest of the world sent against them.  Then they went home, took up their farming and the raising of families again and decided to enjoy the blessings of the freedoms they had fought for. 

    Perhaps they can be forgiven their unsophisticated ways and their provincial outlook.   During the heyday of the great old Warner Bothers cartoon productions Elmer Fudd became a beloved figure to many of them as they recognized elements of themselves in that character.  They had the ability to laugh at themselves because they very much had taken the measure of the world and accepted it on its own terms.  I'd love to see more of that kind of substance in today's society but I seem destined to be disappointed in that. 
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    « Reply #19 on: March 01, 2019, 02:59:52 pm »
    Meanwhile, back at the OP,

       as George Washington once said: "It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one." 
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    « Reply #20 on: March 01, 2019, 03:34:42 pm »
    I'm not the most eloquent of people, so I'll put this as simply and plainly as I can-
    To everyone who says, "No big deal", "It's only business", and/or "Boycotting them isn't going to stop them"....you're the problem as much if not more so than companies like Benchmade, Dicks, et al.

    A portion of the money you spend with them ends up being used to fund attacks on our rights. Period.
    The attitude that boycotting and spending your money elsewhere will result in insignificant revenue losses for them is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it dissuades other individuals from boycotting as well, and a consumer boycott only has teeth if it's done by a significant number of that businesses <former> customers.   

    If you think boycotts are pointless and don't hurt, look at DIck's profits for the last year. 
    The revenue they lost from gun owners went to someone else.
    Had there been no one else , it would have been an opening in the market for someone to fill.

    Vote with your money and support companies who support the same values which you have. 
    Stop fattening the ones who're looking to stab you inn the back.

     
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    « Reply #21 on: March 01, 2019, 04:21:01 pm »
    I'm not the most eloquent of people, so I'll put this as simply and plainly as I can-
    To everyone who says, "No big deal", "It's only business", and/or "Boycotting them isn't going to stop them"....you're the problem as much if not more so than companies like Benchmade, Dicks, et al.

    A portion of the money you spend with them ends up being used to fund attacks on our rights. Period.
    The attitude that boycotting and spending your money elsewhere will result in insignificant revenue losses for them is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it dissuades other individuals from boycotting as well, and a consumer boycott only has teeth if it's done by a significant number of that businesses <former> customers.   

    If you think boycotts are pointless and don't hurt, look at DIck's profits for the last year. 
    The revenue they lost from gun owners went to someone else.
    Had there been no one else , it would have been an opening in the market for someone to full.

    Vote with your money and support companies who support the same values which you have. 
    Stop fattening the ones who're looking to stab you inn the back.

    This seems like a fair appraisal to me  :shrug .
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    « Reply #22 on: March 01, 2019, 06:04:17 pm »
    I'm not the most eloquent of people, so I'll put this as simply and plainly as I can-
    To everyone who says, "No big deal", "It's only business", and/or "Boycotting them isn't going to stop them"....you're the problem as much if not more so than companies like Benchmade, Dicks, et al.
    I take exception to this.  I am the one who is saying 'no big deal' on Benchmade, yet I am also one who instantly boycotted Dicks the first time they pulled this, and I have never looked back.  There is a difference, I truly believe, between the two.  Dicks blatantly asks and lobbies for an erosion of our rights.  Benchmade acted the good citizen and helped the local PD carry out their duties.  Maybe it was misguided, but I do not see ill intent.

    And bud?  I am not the problem here.  Those who call for ideological purity and social lynchings for minor offenses are the problem.
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    « Reply #23 on: March 01, 2019, 08:36:17 pm »
    I take exception to this.  I am the one who is saying 'no big deal' on Benchmade, yet I am also one who instantly boycotted Dicks the first time they pulled this, and I have never looked back.  There is a difference, I truly believe, between the two.  Dicks blatantly asks and lobbies for an erosion of our rights.  Benchmade acted the good citizen and helped the local PD carry out their duties.  Maybe it was misguided, but I do not see ill intent.

    And bud?  I am not the problem here.  Those who call for ideological purity and social lynchings for minor offenses are the problem.
    I don't care about "ideological purity".  I'm talking about not giving nourishment to any organization or business which in turn chooses to feed the anti-2A movement, or any other anti-Constitutional cause.   

    You can choose to feed them or not feed them, but if you choose to feed them then you'd be rather foolish to later complain about anti-2A activism you knowingly, if indirectly, funded.   

    Anyone remember the Christian Bakery vs Gay Wedding Cake debacle? 
    If the initial decision had sided with the bakery (which it should have), wouldn't it have been foolish for members of the LBGTQXYZBBQ community to buy their baked goods from the Christian Bakery, thus supporting it,  when there were dozens of other bakeries which had no such objection?

    You try to avoid pumping money into your opponents coffers, directly or indirectly.   
    If you run a shop and post a sign promoting gun control, I take my business elsewhere.
    Otherwise I'm feeding a dog that's biting me.




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    Re: Benchmade's dirty diaper . . .
    « Reply #24 on: March 01, 2019, 09:14:55 pm »
    Otherwise I'm feeding a dog that's biting me.
    I agree with the entirety of your post, save this line.

    My objection is: Are they really 'biting us?'  I say no.  If you think they are, then you and Mr. Coelacanth can stay away from their products.  As I said above, I have not gone into a Dick's since the First time they pulled their crap, back in 2013.  I have a memory, and I don't forget easily... IF I feel that I have been wronged.
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