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Re: "Stand Your Ground" Altercation
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2018, 05:16:25 pm »
We don't have all the info.  To me, it was wrong for the Sheriff to simply blow it off, and wrong to charge, either.

Things happen fast, adrenaline flowing, many unknown factors. Video is helpful, but it is not the full story. These cases need the filter of the grand jury and full factual development at that level.

I'm a castle doctrine guy and hope and pray I never have to invoke it.  But, these things ought not be decided, up or down, by a single individual or by public pressure. 
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    Re: "Stand Your Ground" Altercation
    « Reply #26 on: August 16, 2018, 01:48:21 pm »
     All parties were responsible.   ANd as wrong and as big of an ass as the shooter was, that was clearly assault.   We've all seen videos and know how quickly that could have accelerated to being curb-stomped as soon as he was pushed to the ground.

       That said....the pusher backed off, the guy drew his gun.  "I" would like top think at that point I would have covered him, backed up and called 911.
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    Re: "Stand Your Ground" Altercation
    « Reply #27 on: August 16, 2018, 02:05:42 pm »
    All parties were responsible.   ANd as wrong and as big of an ass as the shooter was, that was clearly assault.   We've all seen videos and know how quickly that could have accelerated to being curb-stomped as soon as he was pushed to the ground.

       That said....the pusher backed off, the guy drew his gun.  "I" would like top think at that point I would have covered him, backed up and called 911.

    I agree.

    But I also acknowledge that "I" was no longer in a position to create distance between myself and the attacker.  Laying on the ground it is hard to "back up".
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    Re: "Stand Your Ground" Altercation
    « Reply #28 on: August 16, 2018, 03:58:05 pm »
    All parties were responsible.   And as wrong and as big of an ass as the shooter was, that was clearly assault.
    I actually disagree.  What was he doing that was against the law?  What was he doing that was even morally objectionable? 

    She parked in a handicapped slot...  She was in the wrong, not to mention breaking a law.  So the shooter called her out on it.  Not illegal, rather being a responsible citizen.  From the video angle of I saw with him talking to her, he seemed calm and reasonable.  Could he have raised his voice?  Possibly, but so what?  Not against the law, unless he directly threatened her or others.  And unless he threatened her verbally or physically, the assailant had no grounds to escalate the situation by initiating physical contact.  Period.

    Once the shooter is on the ground, as SQBullet has said, he loses any 'duty to retreat,' because the assailant has placed him on the wrong side of a disparity of force.  At that point, ANY threatening behavior by the assailant would have justified shooting him.  While it looks like he was turning away from the shooter, there is a possibility that the assailant was making threatening statements to the shooter.  If so, (unlike the shooter and the girlfriend's conversation) that could be a grounds for a clean shoot.
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