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Unarmed Women's Defense.
« on: February 18, 2017, 01:28:06 PM »
I want to make this an expansive learning thread.

If you have any video's or articles related to real world and proven open handed defense tactics for women, then I request that you add them please.

The goal of this thread is to give women the tools and mind set for open handed defense against an attacker, in order to create time and distance with which they can reach their firearm.





I was also going to post an article, one of my favourites actually, called "surviving violence: the missing ingredient"

It speaks of how we should never put social norms into our training, because it is very difficult to defend your life if you "don't want to hurt" the other guy.

Sadly, the link is broken and I can't get it back. It was a damn good article and very well written.

https://targetfocustraining.com/pdfs/surviveviolence.pdf

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    Re: Unarmed Women's Defense.
    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2017, 02:35:07 PM »
    I teach self defense / awareness (occupational safety of sorts) to home health nurses and DSS workers. My main two focuses are mindset and targeting (the eyes, the throat and the groin). How they do that has countless techniques i.e. Whatever works at the time just drive it in hard, deep and multiple times on the attacker. I also teach that size does matter so hurt him fast, hurt him bad and get out before he can take advantage of the size difference.

    As for being unarmed, I go over using common every day items at hand as weapons. I do not teach BS about using rolled up magazines or car keys as weapons. When I say weapon I mean a deadly implement in response to a deadly attack.

    And I taught using a "focking pen-sill" waaaaay before "John Wick" ever came out. I've been using this clip in my classes for years (jump to 1:35) NSFW language and the accurate depiction of the elusive and mythical late, great strangelittleman in action. Seriously, Guy Ritchie had to have met SLM during his time stationed in England (St. Mawgan) when he was in the Marines. The dude with the pencil is SLM to a tee.


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    Re: Unarmed Women's Defense.
    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 02:43:39 PM »
    Thanks for your contribution  :thumbup1.

    Two things I dislike to hear about regarding self defense:

    1. Car keys between the knuckles.

    2. And when a woman says "I used to wrestle with my brothers, so I'm good". I used to wrestle with my step siblings as well, but self preservation extends a little bit beyond that  ::).
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Unarmed Women's Defense.
    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 07:44:02 PM »
    Judo can be an excellent thing to study for women. They tend to have a center of gravity more near the hips so throws can be incredibly powerful.

    Beyond Sarge talking about striking points and the mindset of getting aggressive fast enough to end the fight ASAP. Then it is really not much different than the techniques any smaller, weaker fighter would use against a stronger, larger fighter. The fact of being female doesn't change the fact that a bigger, stronger opponent needs to be stopped ASAP or it is going to be a very bad day rather you are male of female.

    Kubotan key chains are pretty easy to carry and look nothing like a weapon, BUT they can 'discourage' attackers in a very brutal manner very quickly if used correctly.
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    Re: Unarmed Women's Defense.
    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 10:53:23 PM »
    All good points so far.  I like the info contained in the first video of the OP but the second one falls victim to the fallacy of "pain compliance". 

    If you are fighting for your life you don't need to inflict pain on the attacker.  Pain is subjective.  What might be unbearable to one person is not at all the same thing to another - even without the complicating factor of the effects of drugs or alcohol.  What you need to inflict on the attacker is crippling damage - quickly, and with whatever weapons present themselves, even if those are only what you were born with.

    As sarge712 pointed out ( and the instructor in the second video ignored ) your primary targets should be eyes, throat and groin. All three if possible.  Had the guy on the ground in the second video delivered a sharp strike to the larynx of the big guy on top, followed by gouging his thumbs into the eyes and following up with a knee or a foot strike to the groin the attack would have been over in less time than it took you to read this sentence. 

    sarge712 also pointed out that awareness is the first component of your defense strategy.  Without that you are perpetually at a disadvantage and will likely put yourself in a situation that you may not be able to fight your way out of.   

    The kubotan is indeed a fearsome weapon for infighting but like any weapon, it tends to focus your training and your thinking on the weapon first when often it would be advantageous to strike more quickly with a hand or fist or elbow or knee.  Judo is also a very effective discipline but I seldom see it practiced in high heels with a purse over the shoulder or hands full of grocery bags or packages or car keys.  That's not to say it can't be done but again, it requires a focus on technique that you may not have the luxury of using in a surprise attack. 



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    Re: Unarmed Women's Defense.
    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 12:34:05 AM »
    It would also be remiss for me to not include bare knuckle boxing in the whole self defense unarmed thread. My family bare knuckle boxed in the usual matches that tended to come along with the rodeos.



    This guys channel is pretty good for pulling nuggets of info from for use. He goes over some bare knuckle techniques useful for everyone even smaller folks. Bas Rutten is also in a clip on the channel showing some 'bone strikes' which my grandfather showed me years ago. The very dense and hard bones of the forearms and elbow can be brutal if used correctly for even relatively weak individuals.

    I also tend to recommend the kubotan cause it is easy to carry and not be thought of as a weapon. The techniques for using it also tend to be more focused on pure hand to hand with using the kubotan to help. Where knife fighting and other weapon techniques tend to focus on the weapon.

    One main issue I tend to have with self defense instructors is many say size and strength do not matter. They do very much so. If you are smaller fight quick, brutal and destructive as possible in the smallest time window as possible. Then GTFO. There is a good reason nearly all hand to hand combative sports have weight classes. Weight, size and power are big advantages. 
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