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Re: ? to LEO's: Thug Culture.
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2017, 04:19:35 PM »
I dunno' man  .   .   .  you just got that " calm like a bomb, crazy white dude "  vibe about you.    :coffee
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    « Reply #26 on: March 20, 2017, 04:44:14 PM »
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    « Reply #27 on: March 20, 2017, 04:47:52 PM »
     :cool
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    « Reply #28 on: March 20, 2017, 08:24:02 PM »
    :hmm I haven't consciously dealt with any of this since high school (20 years ago, holy crap).

    Worst I've dealt with is the occasional panhandler who gets too close - tell them they need to step back and they always do. I wonder if I'm doing something right or if there just aren't many thugs that are that touchy here?

    Funny thing is, with me going to a preppy high school, I never saw this behaviour until I graduated.

    You step outside the class room and that academic veneer rubs off in a light wind.
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    « Reply #29 on: April 06, 2017, 04:36:40 AM »
    I deal with the worst of the worst my state has to offer, the bottom of the barrel, the psychos and the Death Row types. I do it by three simple words - approach determines response. I've had guys tell me that when they came off the gurney I was going down F***ing hard...and I asked mildly, "I didn't curse at you, why are you cursing at me?" That particular individual now regards me as one of the only ones who will actually listen to him. I've lost my cool in the past and found out it did nothing but make things worse. I've talked down disturbances with nothing but my mind and radio, and I've been in the middle of gas, punches and kicking "disturbances" when the verbal judo failed. They want to escalate and I want to deescalate, talking softly is one way IF they are still in the mood to listen. Avid profanity - it fuels what they rage on. Rule number one - never ever lie. Dealing with professional liars means like fear, they can sniff a lie. Honesty is 100% my job, which includes telling them I will use gas, I will use taser, I will use dogs, and they will not like it. They listen, because I tell the truth. I also follow through with what I say, good or bad. So how to deal with these "persons"? Quietly and professionally.

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    « Reply #30 on: April 06, 2017, 01:32:39 PM »
    I deal with the worst of the worst my state has to offer, the bottom of the barrel, the psychos and the Death Row types. I do it by three simple words - approach determines response. I've had guys tell me that when they came off the gurney I was going down F***ing hard...and I asked mildly, "I didn't curse at you, why are you cursing at me?" That particular individual now regards me as one of the only ones who will actually listen to him. I've lost my cool in the past and found out it did nothing but make things worse. I've talked down disturbances with nothing but my mind and radio, and I've been in the middle of gas, punches and kicking "disturbances" when the verbal judo failed. They want to escalate and I want to deescalate, talking softly is one way IF they are still in the mood to listen. Avid profanity - it fuels what they rage on. Rule number one - never ever lie. Dealing with professional liars means like fear, they can sniff a lie. Honesty is 100% my job, which includes telling them I will use gas, I will use taser, I will use dogs, and they will not like it. They listen, because I tell the truth. I also follow through with what I say, good or bad. So how to deal with these "persons"? Quietly and professionally.

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    « Reply #31 on: April 07, 2017, 01:25:53 AM »
    Agreed.  That man may have the crappiest job in all of law enforcement.   :facepalm
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    « Reply #32 on: April 07, 2017, 09:49:49 AM »
    Agreed.   I've worked a jail and that was bad enough.  You could not pay me enough to work at Dept. of Corrections Inside.


    Agreed.  That man may have the crappiest job in all of law enforcement.   :facepalm
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    « Reply #33 on: April 07, 2017, 11:26:39 AM »
    I agree. strangelittleman works for the North Carolina DOC and I don't see how he does it. I couldn't. Then again he's over the road and construction crews at his facility so he gets outside the walls a lot.
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    « Reply #34 on: April 07, 2017, 12:13:46 PM »
    Then again he's over the road and construction crews at his facility so he gets outside the walls a lot.
    That should be a bit more tolerable, I would think.  The guys who get to go 'outside' and do things are the 'good behavior' convicts, and they have a strong incentive to not lose their privileges.
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    « Reply #35 on: April 13, 2017, 01:05:20 AM »
    I have no clue what I do or how I come across. Nobody ever messes with me.  I am just a quiet guy in public.
    Tend to keep my mouth shut and eyes open.  Probably a good idea since I can be a bit socially awkward and could say the wrong sort of thing.  Maybe living on the street as a kid taught me something.

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    « Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 07:46:55 PM »
    I don't know how I missed this.  Sarge and Chief have said it better than I could have.  I work with Juvenile's.  Keeping your word at all times is the only way to do the job.  Staying calm until you have to take some one down, then its on and its done as quickly and as efficiently as possible.  You take them down hard and fast.  Then an hour later when they finally calm down you apologize.  You apologize and let them know it wasn't personal and that they chose what happened.  And your memory of what they said, did and threatened you with has to "disappear".  Each day is new and you treat them polite, professional and never bluff or lie.  Working inside of a facility all you have is your reputation.  I laugh when people tell me, "They're just kids, they can't be that bad".  I have plenty of kids that don't care.  Mix in hormones and a don't care attitude with youth as young as 12, (yes 12) up to 19 and it gets interesting at times.  Gang members,  numerous murderers, rapist, child molesters, arsonist you name it.  And to make matters worse for me is the fact that I am one of the people rewriting our policy and procedures.  Let me tell you, it is NOT fun. 
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    « Reply #37 on: April 19, 2017, 08:58:58 AM »
    Few things piss me off more than to have a situation well in hand and "THAT" officer shows up and all hell breaks loose because of him.
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    « Reply #38 on: April 19, 2017, 09:09:25 AM »
    Few things piss me off more than to have a situation well in hand and "THAT" officer shows up and all hell breaks loose because of him.
    "THAT" guy isn't just in LE, he's everywhere.
    Sometimes I have more dislike for him that I do for the original troublemakers.

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    « Reply #39 on: April 19, 2017, 09:40:37 AM »
    Many, many years ago,  working for the Sheriff's office (which had a firm but fair rep in the community) and we have a large gathering in the hood that is getting disorderly and starting to get hostile.   SO gets the call cause PD is tied up elsewhere.   We've got it handled,  calmed down, talking to the folk and a couple of PD officers show up.   one bails out, grabs his shotgun, racks a round and yells "lets take em".   My former FTO (field training officer) was our lead officer and he was not impressed.  PD wound up leaving rather quickly, we hung around for a bit.

    I used to serve paper, subpoenas, civil process, etc.  working that side of town by myself, talking to everyone, tracking people down, picking up on warrants, whatever needed doing.   PD would not respond less than 3 officers over there.  We had a solid rep, PD, , did not.  They had good officers, but they had just enough of "those guys", that could turn a simple discussion into a race riot just by getting out of their cars. I was very fortunate that was the culture I started in. 




    "THAT" guy isn't just in LE, he's everywhere.
    Sometimes I have more dislike for him that I do for the original troublemakers.
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    « Reply #40 on: April 19, 2017, 03:33:13 PM »
    Well put.  Our latest Chief has fired or "retired" almost all of "that guy/girl".  Really only a few left and they have learned at least a little bit.  Or been transferred to other areas.  One of my fondest memories was telling my Chief; "Nice to see you Sir, get out".  After his eyeballs went back into his head  :shocked I explained that I was the Supervisor on duty and with the incident I was writing up he needed to be "Unbiased and unaware" for WHEN it got to his desk. 

    He thanked me and then mentioned the two employees I was writing up by name.  :bash  That is never a good sign. 
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    « Reply #41 on: April 19, 2017, 04:55:13 PM »
    yeah,  we "sorta" joke about our policy manual that has sections named for former officers.  :whistle



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    « Reply #42 on: April 20, 2017, 07:57:47 AM »
    yeah,  we "sorta" joke about our policy manual that has sections named for former officers.  :whistle





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    « Reply #43 on: April 20, 2017, 10:59:44 AM »
    Hahahaha! We do too
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