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Re: Stopped and Under Attack? Get Out and Move!
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2016, 12:51:21 PM »
these are the kind of idiots we have to deal with in Minneapolis/St. Paul.  These scumbags just keep getting more brazen because LEOs have been ordered to stand down by the useless liberal morons in charge around here.  Luckily the gal in the car does it right.  push on through! 

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Hopefully these "protestors" stick to just harmlessly blocking traffic. What are these people's major malfunctions? What do they feel gives them the right and what could they possibly be accomplishing with this nonsense?
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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #26 on: August 30, 2016, 01:35:24 PM »
    Hopefully these "protestors" stick to just harmlessly blocking traffic. What are these people's major malfunctions? What do they feel gives them the right and what could they possibly be accomplishing with this nonsense?

    the Twin Cities is super liberal and have catered to and enabled these people who believe they are "victims of the system" and are entitled to do whatever they want.  The Minneapolis Mayor and her lesbian (not that there is anything wrong with that) Police Chief have ordered the LEOs to stand down and let them run free.  These are the same people that attacked Trump supports a week or so ago with no repercussions.  Also the same people that have been allowed to shutdown I94, a major traffic artery, multiple times during morning rush hour traffic, shutdown the airport on Dec 24, locked down the Mall of America on black friday and a number of other "protests" designed to disrupt other larger events around the Cities.  And these are also the same group of ingrates that started the whole "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon" chant last year at the state fair. 

    it will only get worse here, add to that the largest Somali population and terrorist recruiting location in the nation and things should be very interesting for us in the coming months.  I got to get the hell out of MN.
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    Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

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    Re: Stopped and Under Attack? Get Out and Move!
    « Reply #27 on: August 30, 2016, 05:36:14 PM »
    I would say come to Texas, but who am I kidding? Do your gun rights a favour and go to Arizona. Between gun rights and some of the safest patient/staff ratios in the United States, Arizona must be heaven on earth- the stuff that legends are made of  :cool.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #28 on: August 30, 2016, 05:48:31 PM »
    I would say come to Texas, but who am I kidding? Do your gun rights a favour and go to Arizona. Between gun rights and some of the safest patient/staff ratios in the United States, Arizona must be heaven on earth- the stuff that legends are made of  :cool.

    I've thought about TX, we have an office in Austin that i could easily move to, but they're almost as far down the liberal loony hole as Minneapolis/St. Paul is.  Don't think i could do AZ, off-roading and camping would be awesome down there but damn it's hot.  I was thinking more like WY or Idaho.
    MinnesotaKevin - Stillwater, MN

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

    Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

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    Re: Stopped and Under Attack? Get Out and Move!
    « Reply #29 on: August 30, 2016, 08:09:41 PM »
    You go up in elevation and the temperature drops quite a bit.  Up on the rim they get snow (a lot of it!).
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    « Reply #30 on: August 30, 2016, 08:43:31 PM »
    I've thought about TX, we have an office in Austin that i could easily move to, but they're almost as far down the liberal loony hole as Minneapolis/St. Paul is.  Don't think i could do AZ, off-roading and camping would be awesome down there but damn it's hot.

    You go up in elevation and the temperature drops quite a bit.  Up on the rim they get snow (a lot of it!).

    See? This land, it is fertile.

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #31 on: August 30, 2016, 10:01:07 PM »
    Wait, whaaaaaa?

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    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

    Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

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    « Reply #32 on: August 30, 2016, 10:31:39 PM »
    Wait, whaaaaaa?

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    My Firefly reference? Or the fact that Arizona is the secret favourite main squeeze out of Texas's stable of 48 other b____es?  :neener
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #33 on: August 30, 2016, 10:48:54 PM »
    Damn, how'd I miss the Firefly reference, now I feel a binge watching episode coming on.

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    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

    Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

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    « Reply #34 on: August 30, 2016, 11:34:03 PM »
    Damn, how'd I miss the Firefly reference, now I feel a binge watching episode coming on.

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    I'd pick on you for that, but it took me almost 15 years to watch it. Then again I was very young in 2002. I wouldn't have understood the show anyways at that point  ;).
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #35 on: September 24, 2016, 09:23:19 AM »
    I've read that when faced with attack, Marines will run toward the muzzle flashes of their enemy.  These are tactics I have applied, and used, in my day to day job.
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    « Reply #36 on: September 24, 2016, 10:38:58 AM »
    I've read that when faced with attack, Marines will run toward the muzzle flashes of their enemy.  These are tactics I have applied, and used, in my day to day job.
    Marines work in teams, wear body armor, and carry a host of offensive weapon systems.  None of which are common to your average civilian.
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    « Reply #37 on: September 24, 2016, 11:06:26 PM »
    Marines work in teams, wear body armor, and carry a host of offensive weapon systems.  None of which are common to your average civilian.
    All too true.  However, when the bullets begin to whiz past your ears and the world has gone to hell and you need to put things five by five, then you use whatever you have to make things right.
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    « Reply #38 on: September 25, 2016, 12:28:47 AM »
    ...then you use whatever you have to make things right.
    Including one's brain, discretion being the better part of valor.  1*
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    « Reply #39 on: September 25, 2016, 01:54:07 PM »
    Including one's brain, discretion being the better part of valor.  1*
    Agreed.  But sometimes, especially in my line of work, running isn't always an option and facing your enemies head on may be your only chance for survival.
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    « Reply #40 on: September 25, 2016, 02:16:51 PM »
    Agreed.  But sometimes, especially in my line of work, running isn't always an option and facing your enemies head on may be your only chance for survival.
    Fine, but that has a damned high chance of getting you killed.  This line of work which you so frequently mention, whatever it is, I am betting you are the only one here who is in it.
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    « Reply #41 on: September 25, 2016, 02:46:51 PM »
    This line of work which you so frequently mention, whatever it is, I am betting you are the only one here who is in it.
    That maybe so.  The life of an armored car specialist isn't for everyone.
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    « Reply #42 on: September 25, 2016, 03:09:09 PM »
    Oy! :facepalm A security guard with delusions of grandeur.

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    « Reply #43 on: September 25, 2016, 05:46:45 PM »
    I feel my thread has suddenly outlived it's usefulness  :-\. At this point it can only devolve into something other than vehicle tactics discussion.

    Can I has mod lock, plz?

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #44 on: September 25, 2016, 05:54:00 PM »
    Outside of George, our active moderated presence is...  We don't have one.  We have other mods, but they drop in only occasionally.  Threads pretty much go until we get tired of them. :shrug
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    « Reply #45 on: September 25, 2016, 06:11:55 PM »
    Outside of George, our active moderated presence is...  We don't have one.  We have other mods, but they drop in only occasionally.  Threads pretty much go until we get tired of them. :shrug

    We have Jesse, he hangs out pretty frequently  :shrug.

    I can just feel the trolling on the horizon. The moment when the subject matter at hand transitions from discussion into hand wringing pissery  :doh. I was hoping to cut it off at the pass.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #46 on: September 25, 2016, 08:58:33 PM »
    My apologies, I had no intention of getting this thread off track.  I'm just very impassioned when it comes to tactics and applying them in the field.
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    « Reply #47 on: September 25, 2016, 09:09:54 PM »
    It is good to be passionate about your job.
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    « Reply #48 on: September 25, 2016, 09:11:33 PM »
    My apologies, I had no intention of getting this thread off track.  I'm just very impassioned when it comes to tactics and applying them in the field.

    No reason to apologise, I just wanted to keep it on the topic of strategy and for no personal insults to be flung. I didn't see you throw any insults.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #49 on: September 25, 2016, 09:16:56 PM »
    All the same, we probably should box this one up and move on.
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