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Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
« on: January 24, 2017, 07:21:21 PM »


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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #1 on: January 25, 2017, 11:16:04 PM »
    Thinking of grabbing a shaggy or archangel rig at some point. Anyone have good luck with either of these?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #2 on: January 26, 2017, 12:10:59 AM »
    Thinking of grabbing a shaggy or archangel rig at some point. Anyone have good luck with either of these?

    I have both. I like the Shaggy better.


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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #3 on: January 26, 2017, 09:42:28 AM »
    Shaggy?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #5 on: January 26, 2017, 11:09:41 AM »
    I need a shirt that says I Carried Appendix Before It Was Cool.

    I use the Archangel, or more specifically the Seraphim to accommodate an RMR. It works equally well with my non-RMR'ed 19 also.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #6 on: January 26, 2017, 01:54:55 PM »
    I also have a Gadget on my Glock 19 that is in the Shaggy
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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2017, 02:01:36 PM »
    I also have a Gadget on my Glock 19 that is in the Shaggy

    Yes! I was just talking about this the other day!  :panic

    I don't own one, but I love the concept. Fantastic invention!  :thumbup2
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #8 on: January 26, 2017, 07:33:05 PM »
    Couple things I didn't care for, and of course just my 2 cents. I don't dig appendix, not because it doesn't work for some but it really doesn't seem to work for me. But I do appreciate that it's quick etc, but I'm not sure it's quick enough to justify the comfort or lack of comfort in my case. Particularly when seated, either in the car or around the shop, appendix just puts the gun in my way when sitting. Where typical hip carry it's out of my way and comfortable for just about anything I do whether it's sitting in the shop, driving or climbing under the car to fix something;)

    Also on the video my biggest complaint, I really don't like that thumb method to clear the shirt. Seems far too likely to fail and by my eye did fail a few times on his fast draw examples where he was muscling the gun draw through the shirt impeding the draw. Much better using the fingers but I think teaching the thumb move is a bad idea. I'd rather see him teach something that works all the time even if it's a hair slower, consistency I think is important on the draw. Also the reason I'd say to keep with something that keeps the gun mostly in the same basic position on the body, your draw motion will basically be the same.

    It is what it is though, everyone has their own opinions on these things. But my own is that I really think appendix is an option for some circumstances and some guys, but I also think over the next say 10 years, we're going to see it become even more of a niche carry method than it is right now. Firearms and holsters go in trends particularly in position of carry. And typically it always swings back towards normal hip carry over the years because it generally works for most people. Much like small of the back carry, shoulder rigs and most all other non standard carry methods that have become super popular through movies and media in the past. And those carry methods bar maybe small of the back do have merits in their niche much like appendix, but I still think for the broad strokes normal carry methods on the hip will work for more people and generally be more comfortable.

    BUT, that's just my 2 cents. If you run appendix and it's the best thing ever;) I'm cool with that as well;)

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #9 on: January 26, 2017, 07:44:20 PM »
    Couple things I didn't care for, and of course just my 2 cents. I don't dig appendix, not because it doesn't work for some but it really doesn't seem to work for me. But I do appreciate that it's quick etc, but I'm not sure it's quick enough to justify the comfort or lack of comfort in my case. Particularly when seated, either in the car or around the shop, appendix just puts the gun in my way when sitting. Where typical hip carry it's out of my way and comfortable for just about anything I do whether it's sitting in the shop, driving or climbing under the car to fix something;)

    Also on the video my biggest complaint, I really don't like that thumb method to clear the shirt. Seems far too likely to fail and by my eye did fail a few times on his fast draw examples where he was muscling the gun draw through the shirt impeding the draw. Much better using the fingers but I think teaching the thumb move is a bad idea. I'd rather see him teach something that works all the time even if it's a hair slower, consistency I think is important on the draw. Also the reason I'd say to keep with something that keeps the gun mostly in the same basic position on the body, your draw motion will basically be the same.

    It is what it is though, everyone has their own opinions on these things. But my own is that I really think appendix is an option for some circumstances and some guys, but I also think over the next say 10 years, we're going to see it become even more of a niche carry method than it is right now. Firearms and holsters go in trends particularly in position of carry. And typically it always swings back towards normal hip carry over the years because it generally works for most people. Much like small of the back carry, shoulder rigs and most all other non standard carry methods that have become super popular through movies and media in the past. And those carry methods bar maybe small of the back do have merits in their niche much like appendix, but I still think for the broad strokes normal carry methods on the hip will work for more people and generally be more comfortable.

    BUT, that's just my 2 cents. If you run appendix and it's the best thing ever;) I'm cool with that as well;)

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    I'm curious about it because I'm trying to learn if it is an option for areas where carrying a gun is perfectly legal, but it is culturally taboo. I know when I bend over with a gun on my hip, it'll print out the back of my shirt. Some say that AIWB prints less, I really don't know  :shrug. That's why I'm trying to learn more about it.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2017, 08:18:23 PM »
    Well I can print less though typically depends on clothes and rig. For instance in this video you can see the grip of the gun allot at least from a printing point of view. Harder to see with a dark shirt but from a side profile it would be visible if looking for it. I'd say nearly as much as on the hip iwb.

    That said Bruce Nelson was known for the summer special holster design but neutral cant and carried that appendix. With shoulders forward and some slump in his posture it was known he could conceal well undercover as an Leo.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #11 on: January 26, 2017, 11:44:41 PM »
    It works for me because I'm a skinny guy. No gut to push against the weapon, seated isn't a problem, it really is faster (for me), and I'm not going to impress the babes with my chiseled pecs but my chest is a good bit larger than my waist so even a t shirt hangs over the weapon well enough to conceal it quite well.

    I also know that it's uncomfortable for some, some people think it's dangerous, and some people just don't like it. Do what works for you, I'm not an appendix carry missionary.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 27, 2017, 09:58:37 AM »
    It is working really well for me.  I gave it a try about 5 months ago, and have really liked it.  I think it is great for both guys with the bigger chest and ripped abs as a t-shirt naturally blouses over the gun, as well as guys like me who were in shape twenty years ago but a mortgage, wife, kids, and life have given a bit of a softer physic.  My shoulders are still wider than my middle, but my middle is soft enough that a compact gun just kind pushes into it.

    In six months I plan to be 30 lbs lighter and a lot leaner, so my opinion may change.  Right now, it works really well for me.
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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #13 on: January 27, 2017, 10:16:01 AM »
    Yeah, my chest and stomach are on the same vertical plane  :-[.

    I guess that's why they make the Code: George AIWB holster, for guys like me.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2017, 09:19:16 PM »
    Did not watch the video.

    There.  That said, I frequently AIWB my LCR on the left side under a dark sweater.  The trick is to have a sweater that isn't real tight.  I'm carrying about 20 pounds more than I like, and most of it is around my gut, so the butt of the LCR tilts out a bit, but even so, I can't see it when I look in a mirror, and I know it's there.  The barrel is short enough, that on my frame, it doesn't poke me even when sitting.  Yes, in the left front pants pocket is a bit more comfortable, but it is less accessible, especially when sitting.
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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #15 on: January 29, 2017, 12:33:31 AM »
    You can take the same gun with the same pants and same belt and it'll print differently with different holsters. This can become an expensive experiment unless you don't mind wearing Hawaiian shirts everywhere.

    I've also found that smaller guns (or at least a Glock 26) print more than larger ones, because they're "butt heavy" [insert juvenile joke] due to the shorter, lighter slide. I actually conceal a 19 or even a 17 better than a 26, just because the longer slide and holster keeps it from tilting out.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    Re: Instructor Zero: Appendix Carry.
    « Reply #16 on: January 29, 2017, 12:47:34 AM »
    You can take the same gun with the same pants and same belt and it'll print differently with different holsters. This can become an expensive experiment unless you don't mind wearing Hawaiian shirts everywhere.

    I've also found that smaller guns (or at least a Glock 26) print more than larger ones, because they're "butt heavy" [insert juvenile joke] due to the shorter, lighter slide. I actually conceal a 19 or even a 17 better than a 26, just because the longer slide and holster keeps it from tilting out.

    I'm starting to think this whole damn hobby is expensive  :facepalm. My big box of leather is already too big as it is.

    Thank you for your personal experience! I'm curious as to how a Sig P228 would go with this method of carry. It's just a little chunkier than a Glock 19.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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