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Words from a Bosnian Survivalist

Translator’s note: This tale had originally been recorded in french and then translated by two Russian survivalists who met the man. I have read it at hyperprapor’s blog. The Bosnian is anonymous for reasons which will soon be made clear from reading the articles. ~~ MicroBalrog

I am from Bosnia. You know, between 1992 and 1995 it was hell. For one year I lived, and survived, in a city with 6000 people, without water, electricity, gasoline, medical help, civil defense, distribution service, any kind of traditional service or centralized rule.

Our city was blockaded by the army and for 1 year life in the city turned into total crap. We had no army, no police, we only had armed groups – those armed protected their homes and families.

When it all started some of us were better prepared, but most of the neighbors families had enough food only for a few days. Some had pistols, a few had AK47s (  ) or shotguns.

After a month or two gangs started operating, destroying everything. Hospitals, for example, turned into slaughterhouses. There was no more police. About 80% of the hospital staff were gone. I got lucky – my family at the time was fairly large (15 people in a large house, 6 pistols, 3 Aks), and we survived (most of us, at least).

The Americans dropped MREs every 10 days, to help blockaded cities. This was never enough. Some – very few – had gardens. It took 3 months for the first rumors to spread of men dying from hunger and cold. We removed all the doors, the window frames from abandoned houses, ripped up the floors and burned the furniture for heat. Many died from diseases, especially from the water (two from my own family). We drank mostly rainwater, ate pigeons and even rats.

Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka you could have a woman (it is hard to speak of it, but it is true). Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers.

Arms, ammunition, candles, lighters, antibiotics, gasoline, batteries and food. We fought for these things like animals. In these situations it all changes. Men become monsters. It was disgusting.

Strength was in numbers. A man living a lone getting killed and robbed would be just a matter of time, even if he was armed.

Today me and my family are well-prepared, I am well-armed. I have experience.
It does not matter what will happen – an earthquake, a war, a tsunami, aliens, terrorists, economic collapse, uprising. The important part is that something will happen.

Here’s my experience: you can’t make it on your own. Don’t stay apart from your family, prepare together, choose reliable friends.

1. How to move safely in a city
The city was divided into communities along streets. Our street (15-20 homes) had patrols (5 armed men every week) to watch for gangs and for our enemies.
All the exchanges occurred in the street. About five kilometers away was an entire street for trading, all well-organized, but going there was too dangerous because of the snipers. You could also get robbed by bandits. I only went there twice, when I needed something really rare (list of medicine, mainly antibiotics, of the French original of the texts).
Nobody used automobiles in the city: the streets were blocked by wreckage and by abandoned cars. Gasolnie was very expensive. If one needed to go somewhere, that was done at night. Never travel alone or in groups that were too big – always 2-3 men. All armed, travel swift, in the shadows, cross streets through ruins, not along open streets.
There were many gangs 10-15 men strong, some as large as 50 men. But where were also many normal men, like you and me, fathers and grandfathers, who killed and robbed. There were no “good” and “bad” men. Most were in the middle and ready for the worst.

2. What about wood? Your home city is surrounded by woods, why did you burn doors and furniture?
There were not that many woods around the city. It was very beautiful – restaurants, cinemas, schools, even an airport. Every tree in the city and in the city park was cut down for fuel in the first two months.
Without electricity for cooking and heat – we burned anything that burned. Furniture, doors, flooring – that wood burns swiftly. We had no suburbs or suburban farms. The enemy was in the suburbs. We were surrounded. Even in the city you never knew who was the enemy at any given point.

3. What knowledge was useful to you in that period?
To imagine the situation a bit better you should know it was practically a return to the stone age.
For example, I had a container of cooking gas. But I did not use it for heat – that would be too expensive! I attached a nozzle to it I made myself and used to fill lighters. Lighters were precious.
If a man brought an empty lighter, I would fill it and he would give me a tin of food or a candle.
I was a paramedic. In these conditions my knowledge was my wealth. Be curious and skilled. In these conditions the ability to fix things is more valuable than gold.
Items and supplies will inevitably run out, but your skills will keep you fed.
I wish to say this: learn to fix things, shoes, or people.
My neighbor, for example, knew how to make kerosene for lamps. He never went hungry.

4. If you had 3 months to prepare now, what would you do?
3 months? Run away from the country? (joking)
Today I know everything can collapse really fast. I have a stockpile of food, hygiene items, batteries… enough to last me for 6 months.
3 месяца ? Бежал бы за границу ? (шутка)
I live in a very secure flat, and own a home with a shelter in a village 5 kilometers away. Another six-month supply there too. That’s a small village, most people there are well-prepared. The war had taught them.
I have four weapons, and 2000 rounds for each.
I have a garden and have learned gardening. Also I have a good instinct – you know, when everyone around you keeps telling you it’ll all be fine, but I know – it will all collapse.
I have strength to do what I need to protect my family. Because when it all collapses you must be ready to do “bad” things to keep your children alive and protect your family.
Surviving on your own is practically impossible (that’s what I think). Even you’re armed and ready – if you’re alone, you’ll die. I have seen that happen many times.
Families and groups, well-prepared, with skills and knowledge in various fields – that’s much better.

5. What should you stockpile?
That depends. If you plan to live by theft – all you need is weapons and ammo. Lots of ammo.
If not – more food, hygiene items, batteries, accumulators, little trading items (knives, lighters, flints, soap). Also alcohol of a type that keeps well. The cheapest whiskey is a good trading item.
Many people died from insufficient hygiene. You’ll need simple items in great amounts. For example, garbage bags. Lots of them. And toilet papers. Non-reusable dishes and cups – you’ll need lots of them. I know that because we didn’t have any at all.
As for me, a supply of hygiene items is perhaps more important than food. You can shoot a pigeon, you can find a plant to eat. You can’t find or shoot any disinfectant.
Disinfectant, detergents, bleach, soap, gloves, masks…
First aid skills, washing wounds and burns. Perhaps you will find a doctor – and will not be able to pay him.
Learn to use antibiotics. It’s good to have a stockpile of them.
You should choose the simplest weapons. I carry a Glock .45, I like it, but it’s a rare gun here – so I have two TT pistols too (everyone has them and ammo is common).
I don’t like Kalashnikovs, but again, same story – everyone has them, so do I.
You must own small, unnoticeable items. For example: a generator is good, but 1000 Bic lighters are better. A generator will attract attention if there’s any trouble, but 1000 lighters are compact, cheap, and can always be traded.
We usually collected rainwater into 4 large barrels and then boiled it. There was a small river but the water in it became very dirty very fast.
It’s also important to have containers for water – barrels and buckets.

6. Were gold and silver useful?
Yes. I personally traded all the gold in the house for ammunition.
Sometimes we got our hands on money – dollars and deutschmarks. We bought some things for them, but this was rare and prices were astronomical – for example a can of beans cost $30-40. The local money quickly became worthless. Everything we needed we traded for through barter.

7. Was salt expensive?
Yes, but coffee and cigarettes were even more expensive. I had lots of alcohol and traded it without problems. Alcohol consumption grew over 10 times as compared to peacetime. Perhaps today it’s more useful to keep a stock of cigarettes, lighters, and batteries. They take up less space.
At this time I was not a survivalist. We had no time to prepare – several days before the s___ hit the fan, the politicians kept repeating over the TV that everything was going according to plan, there’s no reason to be concerned. When the sky fell on our heads, we took what we could.

8. Was it difficult to purchase firearms? What did you trade for arms and ammunition?
After the war we had guns in every house. The police confiscated lots of guns at the beginning of the war. But most of them we hid. Now I have one legal gun that I have a license for. Under the law that’s called a temporary collection. If there is unrest, the government will seize all the registered guns. Never forget that.
You know, there are many people who have one legal gun – but also illegal guns if that one gets seized. If you have good trade goods you might be able to get a gun in a tough situation, but remember, the most difficult time is the first days, and perhaps you won’t have enough time to find a weapon to protect your family. To be disarmed in a time of chaos and panic is a bad idea.
In my case – there was a man who needed a car battery for his radio, he had shotguns – I traded the accumulator for both of them. Sometimes I traded ammunition for food, and a few weeks later traded food for ammunition. Never did the trade at home, never in great amounts.
Few people knew how much, and what, I keep at home.
The most important thing is to keep as many things as possible in terms of space and money. Eventually you’ll understand what is more valuable.
Correction: I’ll always value weapons and ammunition the most. Second? Maybe gas masks and filters.

9. What about security?
Our defenses were very primitive. Again, we weren’t ready, and we used what we could. The windows were shattered, and the roofs in a horrible state after the bombings. The windows were blocked – some with sandbags, others with rocks.
I blocked the fence gate with wreckage and garbage, and used a ladder to get across the wall. When I came home, I asked someone inside to pass over the ladder. We had a fellow on our street that completely barricaded himself in his house. He broke a hole in the wall, creating a passage for himself into the ruins of the neighbor’s house. A sort of secret entrance.
Maybe this would seem strange, but the most protected houses were looted and destroyed first. In my area of the city there were beautiful houses, with walls, dogs, alarms and barred windows. People attacked them first. Some held out, others didn’t – it all depended how many hands and guns they had inside…
I think defense is very important – but it must be carried out unobtrusively. If you are in a city and SHTF comes, you need a simple, non-flashy place, with lots of guns and ammo.
How much ammo? As much as possible.
Make your house as unattractive as you can.
Right now I own a steel door, but that’s just against the first wave of chaos. After that passes I will leave the city to rejoin a larger group of people, my friends andfamily.
There were some situations during the war… there’s no need for details, but we always had superior firepower, and a brick wall, on our side.
We also constantly kept someone watching the streets. Quality organization is paramount in case of gang attacks.
Shooting was constantly heard in the city.
Our perimeter was defended primitively – all the exits were barricaded and has little firing slits. Inside we had at least five family members ready for battle at any time, and one man in the street, hidden in a shelter.
We stayed home through the day to avoid sniper fire.
At first, the weak perish. Then the rest fight.
During the day, the streets were practically empty due to sniper fire. Defenses were oriented towards short-range combat alone. Many died if they went out to gather information, for example. It’s important to remember we had no information, no radio, no TV – only rumors and nothing else.
There was no organized army, every man fought. We had no choice. Everybody was armed, ready to defend themselves.
You should not wear quality items in the city – someone will murder you and take them. Don’t even carry a “pretty” longarm, it will attract attention.
Let me tell you something: if SHTF starts tomorrow I’ll be humble. I’ll look like everyone else. Desperate, fearful. Maybe I’ll even shout and cry a little bit.
Pretty clothing is excluded altogether. I will not go out in my new tacticool outfit to shout: “I have come! You’re doomed, bad guys!” No, I’ll stay aside, well-armed, well-prepared, waiting and evaluating my possibilities, with my best friend or brother.
Super-defenses, super-guns are meaningless. If people think they should steal your things, that you’re profitable – they will. It’s only a question of time and the amount of guns and hands.

10. How was the situation with toilets?
We used shovels and a patch of earth near the house. Does it seem dirty? It was. We washed with rainwater or in the river – but most of the time the latter was too dangerous. We had no toilet paper, and if we had any, I would have traded it away.
It was a “dirty” business.
Let me give you a piece of advice: you need guns and ammo first – and second, everything else. Literally EVERYTHING! All depends on the space and money you have.
If you forget something there’ll always be someone to trade with for it – but if you forget weapons and ammo, there will be no access to trading for you.
I don’t think big families are extra mouths. Big families means both more guns and strength – and from there, everyone prepares on his own.

11. How did people treat the sick and the injured?
Most injuries were from gunfire. Without a specialist and without equipment, if an injured man found a doctor somewhere, he had about a 30% chance of survival.
It ain’t the movie. People died. Many died from infections of superficial wounds. I had antibiotics for 3-4 uses – for the family of course.
People died foolishly quite often. Simple diarrhea will kill you in a few days without medicine, with limited amounts of water.
There were many skin diseases and food poisonings… nothing to it.
Many used local plants and pure alcohol – enough for the short-term, but useless in the long-term.
Hygiene is very important… as well as having as much medicine as possible. Especially antibiotics.
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Be brave and upright that God may love thee.
Speak the truth always even if it leads to thy death.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 01:50:22 PM »

Small world. The author uses my server. He's former IDF.

http://sovietoutpost.revdisk.org/

He does tag "This post has been translated by MicroBalrog. Please keep an attribution and a link to this blog when reposting." on virtually every post.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 01:54:02 PM »

Also, he's a member here now that I think about it.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 02:01:50 PM »
  Read his stuff before, lot of good things to think about.

  I for one am not under-estimating the usefullness or trading value of TP....it's cheap and can buy alot right now.  Saves alot of effort and sanitation in the future.....   Also don't hurt to be ready to build an outhouse.....
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 02:18:51 PM »
I for one am not under-estimating the usefullness or trading value of TP....it's cheap and can buy alot right now.  Saves alot of effort and sanitation in the future.....   Also don't hurt to be ready to build an outhouse.....

A TP outhouse...  :hmm

Probably not the best for rainy weather, but makes changing the roles easier.

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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 02:41:31 PM »
A TP outhouse...  :hmm

Probably not the best for rainy weather, but makes changing the roles easier.

How will Grant find it in the winter?  Will he have to hold everything until the snow melts? :hmm
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 03:06:47 PM »
Money, right here:
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 07:47:50 PM »
A TP outhouse...  :hmm

Probably not the best for rainy weather, but makes changing the roles easier.
hahaha, I shoulda known better than to post that here  :rotfl thread win!!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 08:19:02 PM »
That is a compiltation of posts made by Selco on the

www.survivalboards.com

a couple of years ago. He now has a blog:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2798267/posts

Another poster on the Syrvival Board was FerFal who survived the currency and economic collapse ofrgentina in 2001. I have a copy of all his posts and attached it herte. He also has a website:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2798267/posts

He also has book out.

FerFal makes great reading if you believe that America maybe facing an economic collapse.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 09:39:28 AM »
I read some of Selco's shtf school blog.  It's pretty interesting stuff.  A couple of the more interesting recent topics have been on the subject of drugs (narcotics not antibiotics) and alcohol, not just for trade, but about their use by survivors.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 06:54:31 PM »
Yep, knowledge of how to manufacture such things should be part of everyone's SHTF skill set.
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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 05:12:52 PM »
Yeah, mobility was unimportant in Sarajevo and other urban centers because there was no place to move to. Not everything is a seige, though. The ability to fortify and know where you can go and where you cannot is still critical. And I'm sure that the author of the original article would agree that, knowing what was ahead, if he suddenly had the opportunity to cram a bunch of crap and people in a vehicle and make a dash for another location that was less likely to be crawling with the enemy, he would probably jump at the chance.

The point, to me, is that you need to have both angles covered. A lot of people seem to concentrate on one or the other. They have a plan for bugging out, but no plan for holing up, and vice versa. Well, life is what happens while you're making other plans. Your idea may be to hunker down and shoot at intruders, and then a tornado comes along and erases your house from the map. Time for Plan B.

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Re: Bosnian survivalist info from Clint Smith @ Thunder Ranch FB page
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 05:26:37 PM »
Alwayz have a plan A-Z, because you will never know when your back ups need back ups.

Also it's equal amounts important to be able to understand the sheer scale of how bad the situation is.
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