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Winchester SXP
« on: January 28, 2012, 10:31:48 PM »
The new Winchester SXP Pump Action shotguns came in to the shop.  The Black Shadows. Retailing at 349.99 for the 2 3/4″ and 399.99 for the 3.5″ guns.  I’m pretty much a real jaded guy when it comes to new guns… Theses SXP’s have impressed me.  I like the simple, but modern look.  I like the feel.  It has a grippy texture, light weight, and has a good balance. I don’t know if I like them better than an my beloved 870′s… but if I was in the market for a new Goose Cannon, I’d give these new Winchesters a good hard look.  If I wasn’t such an 870 Fanboy, buying a pump action shotgun for the first time – This would probably be it.  But I’m not into Goose Cannons, so these long tubed guns don’t interest me enough to get into them… but they are close.

I am really interested in the Black Shadow Deer version as a dedicated Slugger.  But give me the same gun with an extended feed tube, please.    Speaking of a different version… can I get that gun with an 18″ smooth bore with an extended magazine?  I’ll take one.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 11:37:30 PM »
George,

  The Winchester SXP appears to be simply a 1300 built in Turkey, abeit with a few changes.  Nonetheless, in lookiing over the trigger group, the SXP has the same riveted in place shell stops, that were the primary weak points of the 1200, 1300 design. There are a number of changes in external receiver configuration, stock attachment, bore size, and chromed bore finish. 

  My first repeating shotgun was a Winchester 1200, purchased primarily because it was relatively inexpensive and was the only pump shotgun with interchangable choke tubes on the market at that time.  That 1200 saw a great deal of use and the choke tube set up encouraged my early forays into the mysteries of shotgun patterning and shotshell reloading/handloading.

 A further footnote: The 1200, 1300, and SXP are the only slide action shotguns, to my knowledge, that do not have an inertia slide lock release system.  And yes, the 1200/1300 series are incredibly smooth and fast. I suspect the SXP will be also.

 
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 12:29:54 PM »
Inertia slide lock?

If you hold the forearm tightly to the rear and dry-fire a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, the action will remain locked. That is the forearm or slide handle must move forward slightly, as in recoil, to allow the action to unlock. This was to avoid an open action in the event of a hang-fire. This was part of the slide action genre going back to the Winchester 1893.

By the 1964 introduction of the 1200 Winchester (later 1300 and "Speed Pump"), primers had become so reliable that hangfires were virtually unheard of. Thus the slight delay in unlocking the rotary bolt of the 1200 was considered sufficient. So if you hold the forearm of a Model 1200/1300 tightly to the rear and dry-fire, the action will virtually fly open. Hence the term "Speed Pump." In essence it is a recoil assisted slide action.

The SXP is of the same genre:

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/category.asp?family=021C
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 01:13:09 PM »
It's what made the Defender 1300 such as fast gun.  And these SXP shotguns should be just as fast.  They do feel smooth and all... but I would have to try it out.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 01:16:26 PM »
if it is an updated 1300 you may be able to swap a 1300 18" barrel and extended tube...
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »
on second thought, if you have a 1300 laying around the shop, why dont you test it out and see if the barrels are inter changable, do the same with the tube cap  :coffee
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 01:27:57 PM »
I don't have one laying around.
I had a 1300 I traded off for a PSL.  It was a good trade.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 04:29:38 PM »
If you scroll down at the SXP Winchester link and look at the "Speed Plug" picture it becomes obvious the barrels are not interchangeable. With this imported shotgun, Winchester adopted an internal ratchet magazine cap and plug system almost identical to the 870 12 gauge Express. The magazine cap has no external ratchet indents and the magazine tube has the infamous "dimples."

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 05:31:49 PM »
If I were new to shotguns I'd give a hard look at the Defender. It will probably do the job admirably. And it looks like it's all business. The only negative I can see is that the aftermarket industry gives the vast majority of their attention to Remington and Mossberg.

But if I ever see the SXP defender in my friend's small shop I'll consider snagging it. I only have one gauge right now. Everyone should have a second. And I doubt I'll get my hands on a KSG this year.

And then I tell myself I've always wanted a 9-shot 590... lol
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 05:40:34 PM »
It's really hard to get a toe into the pump-gun stranglehold that Remington and Mossberg have on that market. Since I am into "Goose Cannons" I've shot more than a few other pumps, and eventually used what I called the "BAP" (Big A$$ Pump) - a Browning BPS 3.5" Stalker as my main Goose and Duck swatter for a few years. I always liked the old Win. 1300 - it just didn't have all the options like the 870 or 500 do for different barrels and what-not. I didn't care about that on the BPS - it's only purpose was to shoot cheep 3" and 3.5" steel-shot loads by the case. Being heavy as hell helped recoil, too.
Now I can't afford to have a dozen different shotguns (like I used to :() so I stick with the 870.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 08:11:15 PM »
The New SXP may have addressed many of the problems previously exhibited by the 1200 and 1300 series shotguns - time will tell.

Here is a synopsis of my experience with the 1200:

The 1200 has at least 4 major problems I've experienced.  Right after purchase my 1200 was replaced for cutting shells open at the mouth as they fed into the barrel.  Apparently, the wide cut for the extractor was sharp as a razor on that one.                                               

I found out later the replacement 1200 had some type of sinistered metal trigger guard assembly.  This assembly failed as I fired on a running buck during a dog drive in the early 80's.  The part broke in half just in front of the trigger shutting the gun down!  The replacement trigger guard assembly unit was made of plastic and no further failures of this part have occured.

The next failure involved the breakage of the left slide arm during a dove shoot.  The replacement part seemed heavier and has not failed.
     
In my experience the weakest part of the 1200 has to be the riveted right and left shell stops. These are riveted parts and any loosening causes double feeds. The only fix is to use the gun as a two shot repeater until a new part is available.  I have had to replace those twice in the years I've owned this model. 

Oh yes, a few years ago a barrel thread for the Winchoke broke. A trip to Mike Orlen saw the barrel shortened to 24", new choke tube threads cut and bead sight replaced.

Now, with all the part replacements over the years the old light weight 1200 still works and accompanies me on several small game hunts each year.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »
There is no PERFECT shotgun.  Not even the Beloved 870. 
Hold on - before you have me flogged - listen and hear me out.
The 870 has it's action release in just about the worst position for a right handed shooter.  Not a huge problem - but by far, less than idea.
The 870 has it's ejector spring rivited in, so the average joe like me can't pop a bent one out and replace it.  I had to send an 870 back to Remington because of that.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 09:16:54 PM »
"There is no PERFECT shotgun.  Not even the Beloved 870."

  Agreed.   

  Note: The Winchester1200 I was speaking of has been in use for four decades.

 

 
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 07:38:34 AM »
That's my biggest gripe about the 870, too. The action release.
We'll see how the new 1300 - uh, SXP does.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 09:29:53 AM »
There is no PERFECT shotgun.  Not even the Beloved 870. 
Hold on - before you have me flogged - listen and hear me out.
The 870 has it's action release in just about the worst position for a right handed shooter.  Not a huge problem - but by far, less than idea.
The 870 has it's ejector spring rivited in, so the average joe like me can't pop a bent one out and replace it.  I had to send an 870 back to Remington because of that.

Perhaps not "perfect" but it's still the one by which all others are judged. Heck, I wasn't even aware about those issues. Only thing I could remotely say against the 870 is that they are heavy which isn't even their fault. It's steel vs. aluminum. Can't hold physics against them. And even that extra weight makes it recoil just that much less than a 500.

It's weird. Deep down I know the 870 is numero uno. The Icon of pump action shotguns. Mossberg will always be #2. But I stick with them. Not out of stubbornness but of love and loyalty. Something 870 fans can empathize with.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 09:52:52 AM »
I prefer the mossy over the 870 until you put a pistol grip style stock on it... then its a wash.
I LOVE the tang safety and position for the release on the mossberg, but with the PG it makes it slightly out of way.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 10:24:34 PM »
"There is no PERFECT shotgun.  Not even the Beloved 870."

  Agreed.   

  Note: The Winchester1200 I was speaking of has been in use for four decades.

 

 

  Guess I dated myself :coffee

  Like any design, running production updates and in this case model number changes, should represent functional reliability improvements and new integrated production economies. :hmm
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »
I've seen 'em, and like 'em. If I didn't have an 870 I'd probably get this. Actually I would for sure. I always liked the 1300's better than the 870. Just personal preference. And man that's a slick action on the SXP, every bit as good as the 1300.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2012, 12:08:42 AM »
I was going through all the pump actions we stock at the shop... The Weatherby PA-08 shotguns do not have Inertial Locks just like the new SXP.  But the SXP shotgun is so much better.  The Weatherby's feel like there is a huge amount of drag in the action... slows it down.  Feels sluggish.  So they are just not an option for me... but these new Winchesters - the more I handle them, the more I like them.

But the 870 is The King of Pumps.  This is why I own several and will buy another one.
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Re: Winchester SXP
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2012, 01:12:55 AM »
The 870 is the current king of pump guns, but the new ones I've seen don't seem quite as good as my old Wingmaster.  They are just rougher in and out. 

The 1200/1300 is a good gun and it makes me happy to see Winchester/Browning/FNH refreshing the line and trying to compete. The pump gun market is dominated by Remington and Mossburg and has been for 30 years or so and any serious competition is good for the consumer.  With good marketing they can make a bigger dent than Benelli has don with the Nova.

For me, all of this is moot since I seem to be amassing a few Model 12s instead.
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