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Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2017, 11:52:25 PM »
Someone really needs to make new trench guns.
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #26 on: May 09, 2017, 12:13:16 AM »
    Thanks for posting the pics of your new acquisition.   :thumbup1    Cyl on the barrel means it is a cylinder bored barrel without a choke constriction.  The 2 3/4 " shells will fit your gun but don't beat it up with a lot of high brass, high pressure loads.  Just the regular pressure stuff will work fine and keep the gun functioning better and longer.  It looks like you might have a hairline crack on the right side of the pistol grip next to the receiver.  Keep an eye on that to make sure it doesn't get worse.  Some can be repaired - some not so much.  Check with a shotgun specialist to determine what the status of it is. 
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #27 on: May 09, 2017, 01:54:39 AM »
    Looking at that notch again I seem to recall seeing a metal (steel?) buttplates which wrapped up into that area on other rifles.
    Perhaps it was so equipped at some point in the past. 

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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #28 on: May 12, 2017, 10:27:03 PM »
    I think (operative word, there, so don't bet the mortgage on it) that the orginal 1897 riot guns and trench brooms were equipped with steel buttplates that fit that profile.  Don't quote me on that, I could be as full of s**t as a Christmas goose.
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #29 on: May 14, 2017, 01:04:08 AM »
    Around here its usually seen as an endearing quality .  .  .   :cool
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #30 on: May 14, 2017, 01:16:16 AM »
    The 2 3/4 " shells will fit your gun but don't beat it up with a lot of high brass, high pressure loads.  Just the regular pressure stuff will work fine and keep the gun functioning better and longer.   

    Thinking of target and upland game loads as lower pressure loads is a common misconception.  Pressure in modern shotshells run close to the same in both light and heavy payload cartridges. This results from the use of "fast" shotshell powders in light payload shells and slower burning propellants in heavy payload shotshells.
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #31 on: May 14, 2017, 01:31:50 AM »
    True up to a point but heavier shot payloads put more pressure on the working parts of a gun ( bolt thrust ) than do lighter loads. By comparison, all shotgun loads are low pressure loads when judged by rifle or even most modern pistol standards but I failed to specify that in my earlier post.
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    Re: Winchester 1987 Riot gun
    « Reply #32 on: May 14, 2017, 04:51:51 PM »
    I think (operative word, there, so don't bet the mortgage on it) that the orginal 1897 riot guns and trench brooms were equipped with steel buttplates that fit that profile.  Don't quote me on that, I could be as full of s**t as a Christmas goose.
    It certainly looks like that could have been the purpose.  There are no (apparent) screw holes there, but the wood notch is such that screws wouldn't necessarily be required.  And there are so few true original guns around, that I couldn't find any pictures showing a steel buttplate.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen; it just means I didn't see one.
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