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Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« on: December 19, 2009, 03:35:48 AM »
Can I please have your opinions on this piece?  I got my hands on one (but did not get to shoot it  :'( ) today, feels smooth, and light weight.

The specimen I worked with today:


How does the 1300 family compare to the 870 and the Mossy 500 families?
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 07:21:34 AM »
Can I please have your opinions on this piece?  I got my hands on one (but did not get to shoot it  :'( ) today, feels smooth, and light weight.
How does the 1300 family compare to the 870 and the Mossy 500 families? 

Years ago the Winchester 1200-1300 pump and 1400 auto family was regarded as less than reliable compared to the Remington 870 1100 guns.  I have been told that Winchester autos were much more sensitive to ammo than the Remington 1100.  But, I have to say on various ranges I've never seen a Winchester shotgun only Remingtons, Mossbergs, a few Brownings and foreign exotics.  Which is odd.  I am not a trap/skeet shooter so my experience is limited.

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Who notes the Winchester was less expensive when I bought my 1100, but didn't feel as well balanced, or enjoy the reputation.

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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 11:53:24 AM »
I have owned a couple of Winchester 1300 defender shotguns which is the same as your gun, except for yours in the pic is for sport. I was completely satisfied with the operation of my 1300's, very robust and well made. I never had a chance to work with the 1400's but i never heard anything good/bad about them. I got to play around with a Super X2 in early 2000. I thought that they were the cats meow for Semi-guns, Much more reliable then the 1100 or 11-87's of that time. you have a good shotgun to play around with, Now they don't have as many accessory options as the Mossberg or Remington, but it is still a really good gun.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 03:09:51 PM »
I love how easy it is to take this thing apart.

Where are the recommended lubing points?
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 12:00:27 AM »
I love how easy it is to take this thing apart.

Where are the recommended lubing points?

   Along the action bars of the pump, The hammer and the bolt head.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 12:10:57 AM »
I like my 1300 defender. It always works
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 12:12:16 AM »
We've got a used one at Basin for 199.99.   I've been thinking about snagging it.  I don't have a hunting Gauge at the moment.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 12:24:18 AM »
I've always liked the 1300 better than a 500 or 870. Very natural to aim, the action's slicker than snot on a doorknob and I've never had one jam on me, and I've managed to have a malf with just about everything I've shot. Never ran one all that hard though to be honest.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 12:35:54 AM »
We've got a used one at Basin for 199.99.   I've been thinking about snagging it.  I don't have a hunting Gauge at the moment.

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Now that I have been allowed to played with it, I looked at the trigger group and all its intricacies...

How does the slide unlock after the sear and hammer have been disengaged?

And how does the bolt actually rotate is that because the lug recesses force it to?
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 02:30:35 PM »
Early Christmas gift to yourself?

Probably not.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 03:23:20 PM »
I have a 1300 Defender.  I like it.




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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 09:29:27 PM »
I kinda want to try those 3'' #4s--just for fun.  I'm guessing that this gun's aluminum receiver doesn't help any.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 02:55:04 AM »
I've handled a few and they seem to a well built and good handling shotgun.  They are are a good value.  The only, very minor, downside is that they don't have the massive after-market support that Mossburg and Remington have.  It is a shame that they don't get more attention.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 11:37:20 PM »
I ask this not just for the 1300's but for my Wingmaster's sake [which I still need to retreive]

How is one supposed to separate the pumping-fore-end from the action bars and the tube attached?
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 12:39:17 AM »
I had the hunting model way back when.  I bought it used for 100 bucks and I really liked it.  It fit me well and was utterly reliable.   Only flaw was that it developed a weird "crackling" in the wood finish.  Being used I don't know if it was because of of something the previous owner had used on the finish or if it had been refinished at some point.  It didn't affect the gun at all other than look a little odd when you seen it up close.  Actually it made it a little easier to grab onto since it gave it a bit of a texture.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 06:36:17 PM »
I too own a winchester 1300 speed pump with a fiberoptic instead of a bead.  However, I always toy with the idea of getting ghost-ring sights put on it.

I guess the speedpump feature is that the slide unlocks a bit sooner than most, allowing you to start pumping backwards while in recoil.  Innitially I tended to short-stroke higher recoiling rounds, but I got over that.

What brand and length of #4 buck were you using?

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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 06:38:39 PM »
I did run one shot of 3" 00 Buck through an 18.5" 870 on Saturday, not too bad.


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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 06:43:01 PM »
I did run one shot of 3" 00 Buck through an 18.5" 870 on Saturday, not too bad.




Whatever load they were, the 00 wasn't too bad in T's gun either. The #4 load was totally different story.  :panic

I'm not usually a sissy about recoil, but...
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 07:03:08 PM »
 :rotfl

Just thinking about all of us looking like Christmas was canceled when we were shooting those #4's.  Yeah the recoil was, ahem, stout. 

FWIW at some point under the right circumstances EVERYTHING FAILS.  That being said I honestly haven't seen much fail in regards to pump shotguns from Winchester, Remington and Mossberg.  Well I've seen one fail but it turned out to be something other than the guns fault.  Crazy story and inappropriate here.  All in all I don't think any of them would be a bad choice.  I'd also like to get a 1300 defender.  I like that fast pump.
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2009, 07:13:59 PM »
Why was the #4 stout(er)? Those are smaller pellets, no?
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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2009, 07:18:33 PM »
Smaller pellets equals less space between them equals less empty space in the shell equals more lead in the shell.

That's my best guess.


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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2009, 09:03:22 PM »
generally, a shell is loaded to a standard weight, like 1 1/4th oz regardless of pellet size.  Now this holds more true for birdshot size.

again, any recollection of what brand #4 they were?

In 00 buck, the 'standard' loading of a 2 3/4th shell is 9 pellets, with some reduced recoil rounds having 8 pellets instead. 8 00 buck is exactly 1 oz

BUT there are 2 3/4th magnum loads with 12 pellets (1.5 oz).

and there are 3" loads with 15 00 pellets. (just shy of 2 oz) Fire any of those before for comparison?

# 4 buckshot has 27 pellets per oz, and in general can be found in 2 3/4th shells with 27 pellets and 34 pellets in magnum loadings (1.25 oz)

Generally #4 buckshot in 3 inch shells have 41 pellets, which is 1.5 oz.  But in 00 1.5 oz is 12 pellets, which many manufacturers manage to squeeze into a 2 3/4 shell.

Glancing at Federal's ammo page, they list their powershock as pushing 41 pellets of #4 buck(1.5 oz of lead) to 1210 fps using a 3" shell,  yet they push 12 oo pellets (1.5 oz as well) to 1210 in a 2 3/4"th shell.

Heck, Federal manages to push 15 pellets of 00 to 1210 in a 3" shell


I suppose if you are coming from a 2 3/4th 00 buck 9 pellet load background, then stepping up to a 12 pellet 00 or a 41 pellet #4 might be quite the jump

OR...(and my reason for asking) there might be some ammo maker out there who has a 50 pellet #4 load in a 3" shell, or maybe a 41 pellet #4 in a 3" shell being pushed to 1350 fps or somesuch.

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Re: Winchester 1300 Speed Pump
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 04:18:00 PM »
The Winchester 1300/speed pump is just as good as any other pump shotgun out there today.  When you compare Mossberg, Remington, Browning, Ithaca, and etc., in a field shotgun it boils down to what fits you the best.   They are all reliable.  Personally, I like the Browning BPS.  It feels the most like the old Winchester Model 12 to me, but with duck blind-friendly bottom ejection.

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