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What do you get when a...
« on: January 15, 2017, 03:43:20 PM »
...Mossberg 500 Trigger Housing Assembly is installed in a Maverick 88 shotgun?

Would this combination have any advantage?

How about when the shotgun is maintained in a full magazine / empty chamber / hammer down, state of readiness?


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    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 06:19:05 PM »
    I think the maverick 88 has a crossbolt safety. so you might get a gun with no safety.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 04:13:19 PM »
    I think the maverick 88 has a crossbolt safety. so you might get a gun with no safety.

    Indeed, no manual safety!   

    Would this combination have any advantage?

    How about when the shotgun is maintained in a full magazine / empty chamber / hammer down, state of readiness?
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    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2017, 05:09:11 PM »
    No safety what so ever. Not even a drop safety if I'm right.
    I've never had my Mossbergs safety accedentally engage.
    And I'm tetchy around any gun that has no manual safety anyways...
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    Re: What do you get when a...
    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2017, 05:16:59 PM »
    Mossberg 500 and related series shotguns, have an internal hammer safety stop to prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin.  To confirm, dry fire and then move the forearm slightly to the rear, then close and pull the trigger. The hammer will then move off the safety stop.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 12:35:28 PM »
    So "Cruiser Ready" full magazine / empty chamber / hammer down ?
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    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 01:13:46 PM »
    Let's take this discussion to another level:    :hmm

    What would you think of a repeating shotgun with a double action trigger pull and no trigger block safety? Like a DA Revolver or a DAO pistol?

    Or how about a striker fired repeating shotgun with only a trigger blade mounted safety like most striker fired pistols currently available?

                                                                   
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    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 11:10:35 PM »
    I guess I could live with either of those trigger designs on an autoloader but it seems to me to be a solution without a problem.   :hmm   Most shotgun triggers are in need of some work to lighten them up as it is but seem to work well as designed.  I think the DAO design might be troublesome from the shouldered firing position vs the arms length position when it is used in a handgun. 
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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM »
    Not a good combination.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 04:22:34 AM »
    Maybe it could be played like an angry trombone if you hold the trigger.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 10:39:36 AM »
    Why would a trigger blade mounted safety not be a good combination on a repeating shotgun?
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    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 10:46:17 AM »
    Why would a trigger blade mounted safety not be a good combination on a repeating shotgun?

    Because it would most likely be striker fired then and it wouldn't be safe for appendix carry  :P.

    I wouldn't trust a 12 gauge that I couldn't carry appendix.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »
     :facepalm
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    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 02:32:41 PM »
    :hat
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: What do you get when a...
    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 03:09:05 PM »
    Would a repeating shotgun with only trigger blade safety, have the same advantages as a Glock trigger? 

    Why or why not?
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    « Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 03:15:10 PM »
    Would a repeating shotgun with only trigger blade safety, have the same advantages as a Glock trigger? 

    Why or why not?

    This is out of my league, but what the heck. To my knowledge, there is not a striker fired shotgun currently. Al though if there was, I see no reason why it wouldn't maintain the same characteristics as a Glock.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: What do you get when a...
    « Reply #16 on: February 21, 2017, 01:15:01 PM »


    Would a conventional repeating shotgun with trigger blade type safety be a viable product in todays marketplace?

    What would the advantages be?

    What would the disadvantages be?
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    Re: What do you get when a...
    « Reply #17 on: April 18, 2017, 02:16:38 PM »
    This discussion seemed fizzle out quickly with little further discussion, so here are some out of the box thoughts comparing the perceived efficacy of shotgun trigger/safety systems vs handgun trigger/safety systems:

    Even proponents of shotgun "cruiser ready", known if handgun circles as "condition 3", (hammer down - empty chamber - loaded magazine), want a safety to engage.

         Note: Under the direction of W.E. Fairbain, the external thumb safety on Shanghai Municipal Police issue 1908 and 1911 pistols were deactivated in accordance with required empty chamber carry.

    Mossberg's go at double action shotgun triggers were rejected as a non-solution by the LE and popular market in the 1980s, in spite of the popularity of DA revolvers and double action pistols at that time.

    Trigger-blade safeties, as used on most of todays polymer frame pistols, seem to be a non-start for shotgunners who fear unintended discharge from brush or other possible snags entering the trigger guard in the field.  Essentially, shotgunners consider a trigger-blade safety dangerous without some type of complete trigger cover.  Apparently todays handgunners tend to agree.






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