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RMc

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Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
« on: June 12, 2016, 11:41:12 pm »
...interesting way of illustrating the killing pattern!

http://www.shootingtimes.com/long-guns/longgun_reviews_st_headintheclouds_201002/#ixzz46ztKvZDn

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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 01:33:58 am »
    I have a IC/M o/u. That I hunt with almost every year. It is a sweet gun for pretty much everything, and this sorta explain why. It makes me a much better wing shooter than I actually am.
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 02:33:07 am »
    Agreed.  Both of my double guns are the same choke combo.  Combine this article with all the old wingshooters' advice on gauge selection for the best patterning guns and you can pretty much have the ideal hunting gun ( assuming you can afford the damned thing  :banghead
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 03:51:46 am »
    I found this to be the most interesting finding in the pattern study: 


    "The real surprise, to me at least and, I believe, to most other shotgunners, is the performance of Modified. The pattern spreads steadily from the muzzle until, at 25 yards, it is a good 25-inch killing pattern. It then maintains this outer killing pattern for a full 20 yards, neither spreading further nor deteriorating, and giving excellent performance from 25 yards to 45 yards, and a still-creditable 20 inches way out there at 50 yards.

    Modified may well be the single most useful all-around choke of them all."       :hmm



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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 09:36:24 pm »
    Agreed.  And the most useful all around gun for a long day of hiking and bird shooting might well be a 28 gauge with a modified cylinder choke.  All my life I have heard this from wingshooters who have chased dove, quail, grouse and even pheasant over thousands of acres of habitat from the great plains to the Ohio valley and beyond.  To a man ( and woman in the case of my aunt who also favored the combo for squirrel and rabbit in the thickets of Kentucky bottom lands ) they have all said that the 28 with a modified cylinder choke was the best killer of game out to 40 yards of any gun commonly used on upland birds and game.  They invariably used 4, 5 or 6 shot and wouldn't buy anything smaller than 6 for general use.  The general consensus of opinion was that it outclassed the 20 and the maybe even the 16 and was only bested by the 12 because of the shot payload. 
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2016, 04:53:55 pm »
    I know there had to be a scientific explanation for all of the anecdotal evidence, my own included, as to why a modified choke is so popular.  It just gets the job done for most uses.

    However, I must say that on rising birds (quail, etc.) or when doves are really coming in close, coming down to feed, I do much better inside 25 yards with improved cylinder or even skeet.

    When shooing an 0/U or SBS I do like that second barrel to be modified, even if the first one is skeet. If I miss that first shot, the bird (or clay) will be far enough away to need the density of modified.  That's just coming from an old shotgunner who is nowhere close to being a crack wingshot.  I need all the help I can get.
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #6 on: June 14, 2016, 05:16:53 pm »
    For a really good visualization of how shot flies:

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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 05:44:14 pm »
    Something that video shows not discussed in the article is the effect of shot stringing.  Not all shot arrives at the target at the same time.  And if the target is moving, that means that part of the string may arrive ahead of the target, some on the target and some behind it, irrespective of how the pattern looks on a pattern board.

    That is why larger bore shotguns tend to do better on moving targets, all other factors being equal.  A 1 ounce load of #8 from a 12 gauge will have a shorter shot string than the same 1 ounce from a 20 gauge at the same distance.  More pellets in the 12 gauge are likely to actually hit where you are expecting.  It may not seem like much of a difference in the diameter and depth of the shot cups, but it makes a significant difference down range, or certainly seems that way to me.

    I do much of my upland hunting with a nice, light, quick handling 20 O/U.  I recognize that I am giving up some effectiveness on flying targets compared to any 12 gauge I might bring, but accept that for the lighter field carry and more nimble handling.
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 01:05:02 pm »
    The old time wisdom I mentioned in the previous post held that 28 and 10 gauge were less susceptible to the phenomenon of shot stringing the the others followed by 12, 16 and 20.   Bear in mind that this wisdom comes from primarily upland game hunters using what would be considered old or antique equipment by today's standards but the physics hasn't changed.   Like you, I am by no means a crack wing shot but I am disinclined to ignore the advice of people I have actually hunted with.  Their results speak for themselves over many seasons in the field.

    I actually prefer the 16 for most applications because its what I grew up with and put the most rounds through over the years.  It is a known quantity for me and I too like the smaller framed guns for a full day afield.   I have learned to live with the compromises that it imposes on me just as you have your 20 .   

    Good discussion so far.   That's why I like it here.   :cool
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 02:04:07 pm »
    Next dove season I'll have to bring out my old Savage 220A 28 gauge and see how I do.  :hmm

    I usually use a 16 gauge Winchester model 12 and do best with that, but I'll admit that I haven't given the 28 the workout it deserves.
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    Re: Visualizing the 3 dimensional shot pattern...
    « Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 07:35:33 pm »
    Great article.  I wish they had included opinions on the effect of their patterns using steel shot.

    Could one assume, since the steel flies truer than lead, the IC would pattern with it as the lead does with Modified?
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