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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2012, 08:26:51 PM »
George and others know me...
Shotguns have a mind of their own. As do center fire and rim fire..

All I gots left is a youth single shot, NEF 20 bore, this puppy is awesome with Rem #3 buckshot!. While it does great with Rem slugs, this youth gun with a fixed mod choke, will blow your mind with what it will do with 2 3/4 " Brenneke slugs!.Actually it does much better with another brand of  #3 buck, just for local purchase....the Rem work for needs and tasks...

Point being, investigate and verify what your gun shoots best with.


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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #51 on: January 15, 2012, 11:08:53 PM »
    So of what value to the hunter or citizen defender are soft lead, no buffer, or no shot cup loads like Wolf, Rio, Nobel, or Centurion? 

    The answer is simple and certainly positive:  In today's Buckshot Marketplace, the end user can literally choose the ammunition technology most likely to produce the pattern density desired for the engagement distance anticipated.  This is just as true for hunting use as well.
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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #52 on: February 08, 2012, 09:06:44 PM »
    Of course if you want a 12 pellet, non-buffered, soft lead, maximum pattern spread # 1 Buckshot load - it is available:

      http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1777460575/sellier-and-bellot-ammunition-12-gauge-2-3-4-1-buckshot-12-pellets     


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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #53 on: February 10, 2012, 03:35:03 AM »
    some people have read just enough to know that shotguns don't throw huge patterns and need to have their eyes opened (and learn to pattern test)

    my stevens 350 with 18'' cylinder bore barrel and wolf buckshot makes hollywood sized patterns and serves as a nice example

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    « Reply #54 on: February 10, 2012, 07:26:37 AM »
    The main problem shotguns have is ignorant people.  A. They buy the cheapest birdshot they can find.  B. They think they don't have to aim. C. They think they sound of the action is going to solve all their problems.
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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #55 on: February 10, 2012, 08:04:43 AM »
    Of course if you want a 12 pellet, non-buffered, soft lead, maximum pattern spread # 1 Buckshot load - it is available:

      http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1777460575/sellier-and-bellot-ammunition-12-gauge-2-3-4-1-buckshot-12-pellets     

    What I want is a buffered 12X#1B load of hardened lead in a shotcup.  Can't be that hard, can it?


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    « Reply #56 on: February 10, 2012, 03:27:20 PM »
    You could roll your own and get exactly what you want.

    Nevermind, I just remembered the title of this thread, OTC loads.
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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #57 on: February 10, 2012, 03:33:18 PM »
       "...hollywood sized patterns..."    ? :hmm
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    « Reply #58 on: March 31, 2012, 02:11:39 PM »
    OK...maybe I'm dense...what's the difference between the Federal PD132 and the Federal LE13200?
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    « Reply #59 on: April 12, 2012, 12:31:19 AM »
    Looks like Federal's long awaited LE #1B Flite-Control round is now available:

      LE132 1B   

      15 pellets @ 1100 fps.

    http://www.ammoman.com/p/297/12-gauge-1-buck-by-federal
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    Re: Over the counter buckshot loads: My observations -
    « Reply #60 on: April 12, 2012, 10:05:14 AM »
    Looks like Federal's long awaited LE #1B Flite-Control round is now available:

      LE132 1B   

      15 pellets @ 1100 fps.

    http://www.ammoman.com/p/297/12-gauge-1-buck-by-federal

    Kind of expensive, though...you can get a case of LE132 00 for around $180.
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    « Reply #61 on: April 20, 2012, 09:41:35 PM »
     I just sent an inquiry to Rio Ammunition requesting the actual pellet diameter used in their 9 pellet
     20 gauge 00B load as shown here:

    http://www.rioammo.com/law_enforcement/rio_LE_buckshot.html


     20 gauge 2 3/4" RB209 Royal Buck Shot 9 00 1345 fps


     
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    « Reply #62 on: April 24, 2012, 10:10:55 AM »
    So Rio's 20 gauge buckshot load contains 9 pellets that are just under .31 caliber, (0.307").


    "Thank you for your interests in Rio Ammunition.  In response to your on line inquiry, the diameter measures approximately 7.8mm making it a #1 Buck."      Consumer Services  Rio Ammunition, Inc.

    http://www.rioammo.com/law_enforcement/rio_LE_buckshot.html


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    « Reply #63 on: April 26, 2012, 12:07:45 PM »
    #1 Buck but sold as 00 Buck.  Huh. 
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    « Reply #64 on: July 16, 2012, 02:03:33 AM »
     Federal LE #1B Flite-Control

     Note: 870 CYL. / actual pellet size / 35 yard pattern

     It also appears the 00B comparison load is a pre-FC conventional Federal Premium load

     http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm
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    « Reply #65 on: July 16, 2012, 02:28:16 AM »
    Federal LE #1B Flite-Control

     Note: 870 CYL. / actual pellet size / 35 yard pattern

     It also appears the 00B comparison load is a pre-FC conventional Federal Premium load

     http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm
    Theses results perfectly mirror our own findings of this stuff.  We didn't lose a pellet off the target until 45 yards... I'd imagine still lethal to 50.  With a Black Cloud 3 1/2" Triple B, I'd say it's lethal to 60 yards if not a bit further.  (Watched just that load swat down a duck like it was a spiked football at about that range) Then you would want to be going to Slugs then anyways, but still great intermediate range shell here.   
    Oh, and to certain Firearms Trainers that like to say the following:
    "Shotguns are not Versatile." 
    "Shotguns are only good for 20 yards."
    "Anything you can do with a shotgun, you can do with a rifle better."
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    « Reply #66 on: July 17, 2012, 12:55:58 AM »
    Kind of expensive, though...you can get a case of LE132 00 for around $180.

    Don't buy them out, I need another case: http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=FC-LE1321B

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    « Reply #67 on: August 05, 2012, 10:46:09 PM »
    #1 Buck but sold as 00 Buck.  Huh. 

    Looks like RIO got the message.   


    http://www.shooterspagetx.com/rio/game_buckshot.htm

    Every brand of #1B I have measured right at .29"
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    « Reply #68 on: September 03, 2012, 12:46:00 AM »
    Here is an interesting video of a short range buckshot strike on a Florida buck taken from a tree stand with 20 gauge Federal #2B (18 pellet .27 caliber) . At 3.26 on the video, the pellets that missed can be clearly seen kicking up dirt around the buck. This video also shows the type of close cover that is normal for the coastal South.

     
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    « Reply #69 on: September 03, 2012, 08:56:23 PM »
    Reminds me of the bottomland cover we often encountered in western Kentucky.  Glad she waited for the best shot.  Good, clean kill. 
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    « Reply #70 on: September 03, 2012, 09:28:57 PM »
    It is rare to find a video of a buckshot kill that clearly shows both on and off target pellet strikes. 

    I suspect it would suprise many to know just how popular buckshot is for thick cover stand hunting - where legal.
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    « Reply #71 on: September 03, 2012, 09:53:32 PM »
    Interesting that she was using a 20 and still dropped the deer like he'd been poleaxed.  New ammo is definitely a step up from the old paper hulled stuff of my youth.  Makes it easy to see why the 16 is as scarce as it is these days.
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    « Reply #72 on: September 15, 2012, 04:39:23 PM »
    I recently sent a question to PMC Ammo:
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    Are your 12 gauge buckshot rounds:

    Buffered?
    Hardened lead pellets (antimony content)?
    Have a shot cup or wrapper to protect the pellets from bore scrub?

    Here is the reply:
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    Ralph,

    PMC has their buckshot loads loaded in Europe. I do not know the antimony
    content of the pellets. The pellets are protected by a shot cup and contain
    buffer.

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    Have any here tried/patterned this load?

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    « Reply #73 on: September 17, 2012, 06:36:49 PM »
    I had a student use that stuff during a Class once.  It was alright.  He got a good deal on the ammo and was satisfied with it.  As an Instructor I can say that it performed just fine, but I wasn't behind the trigger.  Patterns were pretty much on par with Class Averages.
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    « Reply #74 on: September 17, 2012, 06:40:03 PM »

     
    This vid shows one of the few times I've ever seen this... A White Tail that gets DROPPED right then and there.  Dead on the Hoof.  Most of the time, a Deer with run away... Not very far, but it still runs.  I've been lucky enough to drop them a couple times, mostly mine have staggered away. 
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