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info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« on: July 19, 2010, 04:45:04 PM »
I am wondering just what shotguns were used during the Vietnam War. The writings I've found on the subject differ on what was issued. Some stated Remington 870's, some say Ithaca 37's. If anyone has any first hand info I would appreciate it. My uncles are out of town and can't be reached otherwise I would ask them. Thanks in advance.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 05:28:38 PM »
Saw both Ithica's and Remington's, even saw a couple old Winchester '97's.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 11:02:23 PM »
Remington put out a full auto version of their 1100 for a little while.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 11:11:05 PM »
I've read that many shotguns were brought into theater by the GIs themselves.  That's the sort of thing that'll get you thrown in jail these days, but it was a different world back then.  Anyway, I'm sure many types of shotguns found their way to Vietnam, from Remington 870s to Winchester Model 12s and everything else.

Hell, my dad once told a story of a guy that pulled out a S&W .44 Magnum and clunked it on the table during a poker game, bragging that he had "a pair of fours".  ;D
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 03:57:08 AM »
Everything I've read has painted it as being a "whatever was in inventory" kind of situation.

If the definitive combat shotgun book (Swearengen's World's Fighting Shotguns) wasn't out of print and hard to find I'd suggest picking it up.

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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 06:10:11 AM »
If the definitive combat shotgun book (Swearengen's World's Fighting Shotguns) wasn't out of print and hard to find I'd suggest picking it up.

It can be had on Amazon, although it will cost you.  Well worth getting if you are into shotguns though.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010, 09:53:58 AM »
Throw the Winchester Model 12 with a barrel jacket added to affix a bayonet. that was probably the first attempt at militarizing a civilian version.


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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2010, 03:39:43 PM »
Throw the Winchester Model 12 with a barrel jacket added to affix a bayonet. that was probably the first attempt at militarizing a civilian version.

The 1897 with a barrel jacket and bayonet was the first pump gun to be used in such a way.  But some form of blunderbuss was probably the first militarized shotgun.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2010, 06:46:27 PM »
Back during WW I,  one of the nasty aspects of the war was that after you took a trench you had the problem of cleaning out the bunkers connected to the trench.  Close, dangerous work.  The French and others had special teams that used pistols for this work.  The Americans came along and started using their Winchester 1897 riot guns.  Pull the trigger, work the pump, and the gun would fire on each pump, and clean out the bunker. The Germans, who introduced gas warfare, b____ed about it.   :neener

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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 07:33:10 PM »
Well think about the speed, power and carnage differential that the shotgun offered. 

The mauser 98:
stripper clip inserted, push down, pull stripper clip, hold knob, push forward, aquire target, reach trigger, squeeze slowly, half breath, BOOM.  Pull up on knob, throw back, push forward, pull down, aquire target with 1000 meter sights, reach trigger, squeeze slowly, half breath, BOOM.  Pull up on knob, throw back, push forward, pull down, aquire target with 1000 meter sights, reach trigger, squeeze slowly, half breath, BOOM.Pull up on knob, throw back, push forward, pull down, aquire target with 1000 meter sights, reach trigger, squeeze slowly, half breath, BOOM.Pull up on knob, throw back, push forward, pull down, aquire target with 1000 meter sights, reach trigger, squeeze slowly, half breath, BOOM.  = 5 shots. 

USGI Shotgun - handfun of shells.  flip gun upside down.  push in, push in, push in, push in, push in, push in.  Flip gun, point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. point gun in general vicinity of target, pull trigger BOOM. handfun of shells.  flip gun upside down.  push in, push in, push in, push in, push in, push in.  Flip gun.  When you're used to bolt guns thats some scary s___!
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2010, 03:47:45 AM »
You can't get a domestic pump shotgun with the attributes of the Winchester 1897 anymore.  Norinco made a copy but if you get one, it takes a gunsmith to spiff it up to the Winchester's degree of reliability.   The 1897 is not considered "safe" in the present day over lawyered world.

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AEF soldiers with paper-hulled 00 buckshot loads holding nine pellets, the
97 could lay down 54 .33-caliber projectiles in a matter of seconds simply
by holding back the trigger and rapidly working the slide, as the gun did
not have a trigger disconnector.
Today's owner of a Model 97 trench gun is armed with a fighting arm that
has stood the test of time. Apart from their short 2 3/4-inch chambers,
these guns are as versatile and deadly today as they were almost a century
ago. ""
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2010, 02:12:58 PM »
""The Model 97 trench gun was capable of tremendous firepower. Issued to
AEF soldiers with paper-hulled 00 buckshot loads holding nine pellets, the
97 could lay down 54 .33-caliber projectiles in a matter of seconds simply
by holding back the trigger and rapidly working the slide, as the gun did
not have a trigger disconnector.
Today's owner of a Model 97 trench gun is armed with a fighting arm that
has stood the test of time. Apart from their short 2 3/4-inch chambers,
these guns are as versatile and deadly today as they were almost a century
ago. ""
 >:D
Yeah, but try hanging on to the darn thing during that kind of firing. It is a handful.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2010, 02:15:46 PM »
OBTW, the take-down feature is pretty handy too. The stock and breech assembly isn't much shorter than an 18 1/2" barrel so the whole thing puts away nicely. Carried on in the trunk of an old Harley-D Servi-bike (ice cream cycle) many years ago. Sometimes was real handy to have around.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2010, 01:24:12 PM »
I would love to get a 1897 trench gun but I never see them for sale except for the norinco ones. I pretty much refuse to buy anything from china if I don't have to. I wish some one in the US was making them. I think it sounds like a project for auto ordance seeing as how they are making 1911's and M1 Carbines and M1 thompsons. I think they should add the 1897 and the M1 Garand to their line up.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 02:00:32 PM »
I saw a few at a gun show last year that weren't too spendy...
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2010, 12:07:11 PM »
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2010, 12:38:17 PM »
IIRC, Special Forces Operators (mostly Navy SEALs and CIA teams) would wear jeans when on long patrols through the jungle. Don't recall exactly why.
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Re: info on shotguns used during Vietnam War
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2010, 12:36:34 PM »
Thanks for the info everyone.
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