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Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2017, 10:03:01 AM »
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 ...I feel we're getting pretty exotic with our shell choices here  ;) .


Well, I didn't bring up Pixie Dust and double ball loads!   ::)

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Just roll your own with some rainbow 100's and 1000's and you'll be good on not over penetrating. After that, just bake at 350 for half an hour  :neener.
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #26 on: April 13, 2017, 12:55:16 PM »
    :rotfl

    Just roll your own with some rainbow 100's and 1000's and you'll be good on not over penetrating. After that, just bake at 350 for half an hour  :neener.

    Pray thee tell, just what are "rainbow 100's and 1,0000's ?"   Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide loading data and a link or links to ballistic gell testing.  :coffee
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #27 on: April 13, 2017, 03:12:40 PM »
    Pray thee tell, just what are "rainbow 100's and 1,0000's ?"   Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide loading data and a link or links to ballistic gell testing.  :coffee



    They are not just sprinkles, but specifically the round ones that would most likely resemble shotgun shot. I was being cute  :cool.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #28 on: April 13, 2017, 07:46:19 PM »


    They are not just sprinkles, but specifically the round ones that would most likely resemble shotgun shot. I was being cute  :cool.

    Interesting.   :hmm

    If you should wish to actually experiment with sugar based "shot", I would suggest using an easily ignited bulk powder that is not dependent on ejecta weight to build working pressure. Early forms of such cartridges used that well known "shot" of legend - Rock Salt!   The "fearsome reputation" of these loads was spawned in the late 19th and early 20th century when rock salt was subsituted for lead shot in, then common, Black Powder  shotshells. 
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #29 on: April 13, 2017, 08:14:31 PM »
    Previously, I was just messing around, but I'm curious as to what the ballistics would be.

    I have no reloading equipment, but do we have any mad scientists with a sweet tooth in the house  :hmm? If so, please post.

    It might be the best load to use in the gingerbread house  :neener.

    Also, is sugar corrosive in a bore?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #30 on: April 13, 2017, 09:00:30 PM »
    About like corrosive priming compound. 
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #31 on: April 13, 2017, 09:05:23 PM »
    Really? Dang, we'd have to break out the 409 then.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #32 on: April 19, 2017, 02:03:23 PM »
    Ammonia based household cleaners can be corrosive if left in contact with barrel steel.  :coffee
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #33 on: April 19, 2017, 08:14:14 PM »
    But it's the best way I know to break down corrosive fouling, as many current gun cleaners do not break them down (to my knowledge).

    So what methods do you use to clean a gun after corrosive ammo?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #34 on: April 19, 2017, 08:30:19 PM »
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #35 on: April 20, 2017, 01:02:57 AM »
    But it's the best way I know to break down corrosive fouling, as many current gun cleaners do not break them down (to my knowledge).

    So what methods do you use to clean a gun after corrosive ammo?
    The corrosive part of corrosive fouling is a salt so it needs to be dissolved in order to remove it.  If you're cheap you can just use hot water and a few drops of dishwashing soap.  We used to use Windex with Ammonia D on old Enfields and the like.  Ballistol diluted with water ( 9 parts water - one part Ballistol )also works well and has the advantage of leaving a bit of oil behind in the bore or gas chamber when you're done. 
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #36 on: April 20, 2017, 08:52:45 AM »
    Interesting.   :hmm

    If you should wish to actually experiment with sugar based "shot", I would suggest using an easily ignited bulk powder that is not dependent on ejecta weight to build working pressure. Early forms of such cartridges used that well known "shot" of legend - Rock Salt!   The "fearsome reputation" of these loads was spawned in the late 19th and early 20th century when rock salt was subsituted for lead shot in, then common, Black Powder  shotshells. 

    For those that missed the point, the letters in bold above refer to black powder.
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #37 on: April 20, 2017, 11:42:13 PM »
    I assumed that was your reference but others may not - good catch.   :thumbup1
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    Re: Home Defense Shotshell Ammunition
    « Reply #38 on: April 21, 2017, 12:12:15 AM »
    Thank you for clarifying. I didn't catch that previously.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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