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Herters 12 gauge Minishells
« on: February 03, 2017, 11:21:12 PM »
so I was trolling around cabelas and I found these shells hidden back nearly in the knife section.






they seem to be a six pellet load of 00 buck, no shot cup, no buffer, and what looks like a plastic nitrocard over the shot.
they don't double capacity like aguila minishells, but I do get an additional shell in the magazine over 2 3/4th shells
pattern updates tomorrow
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 07:40:18 AM »
     :hmm
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 08:14:29 AM »
      I have some of Herters double ball rounds.  Two .65 roundballs in a 2.75" hull.

      I was actually impressed.  Out to 40 yards both balls stayed within inches of each other, well within the vitals of a deer.

    Come to think of it I should get more and go out and test it a bit more.

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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 09:30:48 AM »
      I have some of Herters double ball rounds.  Two .65 roundballs in a 2.75" hull.

      I was actually impressed.  Out to 40 yards both balls stayed within inches of each other, well within the vitals of a deer.

    Come to think of it I should get more and go out and test it a bit more.

    Just do a write up for us when you do  :cool.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 07:55:36 PM »
    A 2.25" roll crimp hull would only sacrifice .25" of loaded internal stack height over a 2.75" loaded fold crimp hull of the same design. What this means is the OAL loaded lenght difference is only .25"

    By the same token a 2.5" roll crimp hull would have the same loaded internal capacity as a 2.75" folded crimp hull. The same load would fit perfectly in either a 2.5" roll crimp shell or a 2.75" fold crimp hull.

    Taking this a bit further, a 2.75 roll crimped cartridge has the same load capacity as a 3" fold crimp hull of the exact same construction.  That leads to some interesting load possiblities for the shotshell handloader.  :hmm

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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 08:27:56 PM »
    Isn't that the standard European size?   A little smaller than regular shells, but still larger than the Aguila Minshells.   
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    « Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 10:52:20 PM »
    Isn't that the standard European size?   A little smaller than regular shells, but still larger than the Aguila Minshells.   

    Not quite. 

    Some European shotshells are 67mm, (roughly 2.63 inches), athough most are now 70mm or 2.75"


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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 11:03:31 PM »
    The ever popular 9 pellet 00B Eastern / #3 Buckshot Western, was standardized in 2.5" black powder roll crimped paper hulls. That was the largest payload that would fit and still have enough space for powder and a minimal card and fiber wad stack.  The second most popular 12 gauge buckshot load in the late 19th century U.S. carried 12 #1B Eastern / #5 Western pellets. 
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #8 on: February 06, 2017, 11:37:45 PM »
    7 yards (Conversational distance)




    12 yards (the furthest shot in my house)




    35 yards (what I consider to be max range of non-flight control buckshot.)



    each target was shot with two shells, aimed center mass.
    I was mildly impressed. even at 35 it wasn't dropping pellets off an FBI torso. recoil was very light, about like a no.8 shot target shell. maybe a smidge lighter even. (keep in mind this only has 2/3rd ounces of shot) I would have felt better with a shorter wad, a proper shotcup and a full 9 pellets, they could have done it.
    the extra round is nice, as is the cheap price. but I don't consider this to be a spectacular load. I get much better performance out of my chosen federal shells. but if they offered these with a light 7/8th ounce slug with an M/V around 1350-1400 they would be my main slug load. as it stands, I'm keeping them in the tube for now. they passed my lower limit test and I got 40 rounds of them.
    the super light recoil means that if you have a smaller wife, or a recoil sensitive one (or maybe you're the recoil sensitive one. you daisy.) these would make an excellent choice. and at $0.50 a shot, you can afford to buy a lot for live fire practice as well.

     I might grab some of the double ball loads next time i'm through as well. just to play with. I think I saw a minishell version. and I very much like having the extra shot.
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 05:31:00 AM »
    Thanks for the review :thumbup1 .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 10:04:26 AM »
    Good review. That's actually a tighter pattern than I'd have suspected. Were you using open cylinder?
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 10:22:07 AM »
    Improved cylinder if I'm right.
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 01:40:47 PM »
    Roper1911:

    Excellent performance review and analysis of deployment considerations.
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge Minishells
    « Reply #13 on: February 08, 2017, 10:45:34 PM »
     :thumbup1
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