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Herters 12 gauge double ball shells
« on: May 13, 2017, 08:36:48 PM »
So I finally managed to get a hold of a few boxes of Herters double ball shells. -or- Tri-deca aught buck
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the speed as on most herters shells is lower then typical, but I suppose that the savings have to come from somewhere.
as with the minishells I reviewed, these shells are pretty cheap. About $0.68 per shot. (on sale)

range report coming soon
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge double ball shells
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2017, 09:37:11 PM »
       Not butting in or trying to steal thunder  ;)

    But tested out of my Mossberg Maverick 20" cylinder bore, it created 2-hole groups of 6" or less all the way out to 30 yards.  Under 20 yards it was damn near one-hole groups.     Only fired 6 shots (2 each at 10-20-30 yards) and saving my remainder until I can get to a cabelas and buy a few more.

       
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    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2017, 11:24:28 PM »
       Not butting in or trying to steal thunder  ;)

    But tested out of my Mossberg Maverick 20" cylinder bore, it created 2-hole groups of 6" or less all the way out to 30 yards.  Under 20 yards it was damn near one-hole groups.     Only fired 6 shots (2 each at 10-20-30 yards) and saving my remainder until I can get to a cabelas and buy a few more.

       

    ah- but did you take photos of every target, notate them and upload them to the forum?
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge double ball shells
    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 08:24:53 AM »
      Nope, just contributing add-on data.     Seems I barely have time for shooting much less the extra stuff.  20 minutes of computer time in the morning, hour in the evening.

      We all appreciate the effort you put into it  :thumbup1
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    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 09:04:07 AM »
      Nope, just contributing add-on data.     Seems I barely have time for shooting much less the extra stuff.  20 minutes of computer time in the morning, hour in the evening.

      We all appreciate the effort you put into it  :thumbup1
    I have the time, but not a ton of money.
    which is why I only do this every few months instead of every week.
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    Re: Herters 12 gauge double ball shells
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2017, 09:34:09 PM »
    Ayyyeeeee! finally the range report!


    so, to start- the shell construction is pretty typical

    the most interesting thing is the wad, at first, while shooting I thought there was a multipart wad, it is not, it feels like nylon, and is a short shock buffer with a solid sleeve that contains the two .65 cal balls, the load is almost 2 ounces (1.89 ounce), but the recoil is very manageable.


    at 7 yards, both balls go through the same hole. and measure a mere 1" apart, mostly because I shifted point of aim so you could see both shots.
    as you can see, there are 3 additional holes, I believe that those are due to the wad shredding itself.


    at 17 yards one of the shells separated and spread. there aren't any wad holes, so either they didn't shred. or if they did, they spread so far that they missed the target. you can also see the one very clean circular hole, I believe that's where a wad didn't separate at all, and those two balls stormed though center mass right though the sternum like an angry rabbit on meth.


    at 35 yard, HOLY SHOTSPREAD BATMAN!
    the spread lept from 4" to 15", more then tripling for some reason.
    again you see the really neat hole down at the bottom. I think that the slugs failure to separate caused it to drop like a rock. heck if i know.

    as for application?
    it's just kind of a fun shell to shoot. it's not as accurate as a slug, but it over penetrates like one. i definitely wouldn't suggest it as a home defense ammo.
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    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2017, 10:32:20 PM »
    Thanks for the review  :thumbup1.

    Ideas for tactical applications?
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    « Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 01:46:44 AM »
    Make the other guy use them ?   :hmm
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    « Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 02:36:24 PM »
    I presume the patterns were fired from a short cylinder bore barrel with these soft lead double buck loads.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 11:05:53 PM »
    I presume the patterns were fired from a short cylinder bore barrel with these soft lead double buck loads.
    yep. my 20" Improved cylinder riot gun "Kindness"
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    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 10:03:22 AM »
    I'd like to see these tested head to head against Dixie Tri-Ball.
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    « Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 10:58:23 AM »
    I'd like to see these tested head to head against Dixie Tri-Ball.

    Dixie tri ball tested out of a chiappa triple threat?  :hmm
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
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    « Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 07:50:41 PM »
    I'd like to see these tested head to head against Dixie Tri-Ball.
    Dixie tri ball tested out of a chiappa triple threat?  :hmm

    dixie triball could be next. but not out of a triple threat. unless you want to send me one free...
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    ~Chief Warrant Leon McMurdo. Shilo Mountain Rangers, sixth battalion. Mount Hector School of Military tactics. November 8th 3451.

    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 08:41:38 AM »
    so, will you identify Patience, Love and Understanding ?

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    « Reply #14 on: May 31, 2017, 01:12:06 PM »
    so, will you identify Patience, Love and Understanding ?

     :coffee

    "Patience" isn't in the collection yet. It's slated to be an M1 Garand. Love is my carry gun, currently a Rock island armory "Rock Ultra" FS in 9mm, pending conversion to .38 super. "Understanding​" is the Savage mark II I use to teach new shooters.
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    ~Chief Warrant Leon McMurdo. Shilo Mountain Rangers, sixth battalion. Mount Hector School of Military tactics. November 8th 3451.

    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #15 on: May 31, 2017, 05:35:50 PM »
     :clap


    "Patience" isn't in the collection yet. It's slated to be an M1 Garand. Love is my carry gun, currently a Rock island armory "Rock Ultra" FS in 9mm, pending conversion to .38 super. "Understanding​" is the Savage mark II I use to teach new shooters.
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    « Reply #16 on: May 31, 2017, 10:10:52 PM »
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