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Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2017, 10:32:29 PM »
$5 is for an "AOW" or "Any Other Weapon." It doesn't fit any of the NFA's other qualifications. Courtesy of that piece of legislation's definitions of the various classes of firearms: it did not come from the factory with a buttstock, so it is not a rifle or shotgun; the barrel is smoothbore, so it is not a pistol, but the overall length is less than 26 inches, so it is not a "firearm."

And honestly, I probably got that wrong. Adam Kraut does a far better job explaining it:



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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #51 on: January 16, 2017, 11:41:07 PM »
    I would be happy to trade the $5 stamp and a 6-8 month wait, for a $200 stamp that could be instantly approved via NICS.  :coffee
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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #52 on: January 17, 2017, 12:42:44 AM »
    The point of the 590 Raptor model (14" barrel / 26.5" OAL) is that it can be purchased over the counter without any NFA paperwork!
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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #53 on: January 17, 2017, 12:53:44 AM »
    The point of the 590 Raptor model (14" barrel / 26.5" OAL) is that it can be purchased over the counter without any NFA paperwork!
    *Where legal.  My interpretation of Pennsylvania State Law is that all sub-18" shotguns are illegal, save those federally registered under the NFA.

    So for myself, it does come down to the $5/$200 question.  :(
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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #54 on: January 17, 2017, 01:10:20 AM »
    *Where legal.  My interpretation of Pennsylvania State Law is that all sub-18" shotguns are illegal, save those federally registered under the NFA.

    So for myself, it does come down to the $5/$200 question.  :(

    You may want to check further, as the 590 Raptor is not a shotgun.
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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #55 on: January 17, 2017, 02:07:10 AM »
    You may want to check further, as the 590 Raptor is not a shotgun.
    Federally, no it is not, as federal law defines what constitutes a 'shotgun' for the purpose of clarifying and applying said federal laws.  This unclassed 'firearm' is exempted because of a technical loophole, one that could easily be closed if congress was made aware of it.

    Be that as it may, based upon a literal reading of the law, the Raptor is not considered a 'shotgun' by the ATF.

    PA has no such technical definition of what a shotgun is, which would leave that determination up to the proverbial 'reasonable man' argument.  Any judge, and most any jury, would consider the Raptor a 'shotgun.'  And let's be honest - it is one to everyone but the ATF.
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    « Reply #56 on: January 17, 2017, 09:50:05 AM »
    A 590 Raptor?   DAYUM!   I like that!
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    « Reply #57 on: January 17, 2017, 12:01:17 PM »
    So how is shooting shortened shotguns like that?

    Let's say ones maximum threshold for comfort is full snort 357's out of a model 66 k frame.
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    « Reply #58 on: January 17, 2017, 12:31:48 PM »
    So how is shooting shortened shotguns like that?

    Let's say ones maximum threshold for comfort is full snort 357's out of a model 66 k frame.

    I suspect it would be something like this - only shorter.   Yeah, I'm talking about the gun.



    Some 9/10 ounce buckshot loads - like the low recoil 8 pellet 00B rounds on the market would be the most available way to tame the recoil monster.

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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #59 on: January 17, 2017, 12:42:14 PM »
    The largest model is the one I would want, btw.

    Hickok45 is 6'8".

    I am only 5'10"

    Poor comparison  :P.
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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #60 on: January 17, 2017, 01:26:33 PM »
    The largest model is the one I would want, btw.

    Hickok45 is 6'8".

    I am only 5'10"

    Poor comparison  :P.

    Well here is the very firearm in question - fitted with a short shell adapter and using 6 pellet 00B (300 grain) loads.  Also some further info on the "rules" for this type of firearm.

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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #61 on: April 27, 2017, 01:51:15 PM »
    Remington jumps onto 14" barrel 12 gauge bandwagon with the 870 Tac 14

    http://www.guns.com/2017/04/27/remington-debuts-14-inch-bbl-870-no-tax-stamp-needed-photos/

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    Re: Doing it. 14" Mossy 500
    « Reply #62 on: April 27, 2017, 01:53:32 PM »
    I think I'd get the mossy shockwave. It has the loop on the pump, and I think that extra layer of safety is nice. Not to mention the ambi safety might be superior in that set up.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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