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Do Rifled Slugs Spin from a smoothbore?
« on: March 07, 2017, 12:12:37 AM »
Here is a slow motion video that purports to answer the question.   :hmm


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    Re: Do Rifled Slugs Spin from a smoothbore?
    « Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 12:52:03 AM »
     :hmm  Sort of interesting but doesn't change my opinion of the load in any way.
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    « Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 09:46:05 AM »
    OY.  Watching that last test, where the slug actually hit the kevlar in the vest... that would suuuuuuck to be on the receiving end of that. Very Bad Day.  :shocked

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    « Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 09:57:31 AM »
    OY.  Watching that last test, where the slug actually hit the kevlar in the vest... that would suuuuuuck to be on the receiving end of that. Very Bad Day.  :shocked

    You'd be alive after the hit.... But you wouldn't feel like you were still alive...
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    Re: Do Rifled Slugs Spin from a smoothbore?
    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 10:07:22 AM »
    Pretty sure you wouldn't want to be alive.

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    « Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 11:41:31 AM »
    I hate to think of the damage all of the flying lead did to the orchard.
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    « Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 12:26:52 PM »
    That hit could still be lethal.   Also, I've shot vests with slugs and have had them penetrate.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 07, 2017, 01:44:15 PM »
    Nah, they'd be fine. Just drink some water and wear your pt belt, you'll be good to go  :neener.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 07, 2017, 03:23:19 PM »
    Nah, they'd be fine. Just drink some water and wear your pt belt, you'll be good to go  :neener.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 05:33:53 PM »
    OY.  Watching that last test, where the slug actually hit the kevlar in the vest... that would suuuuuuck to be on the receiving end of that. Very Bad Day.  :shocked

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    « Reply #10 on: March 07, 2017, 07:12:21 PM »
    This is part of why I wear LVL4 ceramic plates instead of just soft stuff. That, and everyone and his brother has an M4, and if I can snag a few cases of M855A1, so can they...

    Are you a LEO or Military?
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    « Reply #11 on: March 07, 2017, 09:35:23 PM »
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    « Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 11:38:10 PM »
    Are you a LEO or Military?

    To be fair, I'm a civilian looking seriously at some III+ hardplates.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2017, 12:19:39 AM »
    To be fair, I'm a civilian looking seriously at some III+ hardplates.

    Yeah, but they said "wear". I've got a plate carrier too, but it stays in the closet for when red dawn happens.

    I think it's the duty of every American citizen to have a carbine, 1k of ammo, and LBE- but typically our stuff collects dust in the event of Russians invading, zombie apocalypse, FEMA camps, and other assorted, yet unlikely nightmare scenarios (protection from enemies foreign and domestic and all that jazz).

    That being said, we don't typically wear our stuff. The only civilian that I know who runs a plate carrier with plates with any regularity is nutnfancy, and I don't believe he's considered the norm.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 08, 2017, 01:05:04 AM »
    I don't know anything about Unobtainium, so this isn't a judgement on him, but from what I have seen of Nutnfancy, he is heavy on 'Nut.'
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    « Reply #15 on: March 08, 2017, 01:29:55 AM »
    Yeah, but they said "wear". I've got a plate carrier too, but it stays in the closet for when red dawn happens.

    I think it's the duty of every American citizen to have a carbine, 1k of ammo, and LBE- but typically our stuff collects dust in the event of Russians invading, zombie apocalypse, FEMA camps, and other assorted, yet unlikely nightmare scenarios (protection from enemies foreign and domestic and all that jazz).

    That being said, we don't typically wear our stuff. The only civilian that I know who runs a plate carrier with plates with any regularity is nutnfancy, and I don't believe he's considered the norm.

    I don't wear it often at all, but when I DO wear it, it's what I wear. I wear it for carbine courses (It would have helped that guy out with Puzikas, lol), and I keep it handy at home. I did not mean to indicate that it was a daily item. I work in a NPE, and sure as hell am not bringing 15# of body-armor to work with me, lol!
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    « Reply #16 on: March 08, 2017, 01:31:05 AM »
    I don't know anything about Unobtainium, so this isn't a judgement on him, but from what I have seen of Nutnfancy, he is heavy on 'Nut.'

    My YouTube channel is full of weightlifting and slow-motion kinematic tests of various setups on an M4. Very little of it is dynamic shooting. I feel no need to share tons of that.
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    « Reply #17 on: March 08, 2017, 01:37:41 AM »
    My YouTube channel is full of weightlifting and slow-motion kinematic tests of various setups on an M4. Very little of it is dynamic shooting. I feel no need to share tons of that.
    I wasn't referring to your videos, only saying that I was Not comparing you to the nut, Nutnfancy.

    Useful gun videos are always welcomed, in the context of a thread.  Not so much when the stretch 10 minutes of useful content into a 45 minute video. ;)
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    « Reply #18 on: March 08, 2017, 02:43:11 AM »
    I wasn't referring to your videos, only saying that I was Not comparing you to the nut, Nutnfancy.

    Useful gun videos are always welcomed, in the context of a thread.  Not so much when the stretch 10 minutes of useful content into a 45 minute video. ;)

    I'm not really a fan of 'Fancy myself, but the guy is an aircraft mechanic, makes plenty of money, and has himself a hobby that he loves to yammer about. More power to him, I just won't be taking any of his advice TOO seriously.

    That said, the "vanes" on a Foster slug compress and flatten out, even from a cylinder bore, to the point that they are no-longer aerodynamically significant, at least, as far as I can tell.
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    « Reply #19 on: March 08, 2017, 10:18:18 AM »
    1k of ammo





    I'm thinking that's 10% of what should be kept on hand. At least that's what I tell my wife when she opens the closets in my cave. I need to work on the rest. I have no armor protection at all.

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    « Reply #20 on: March 08, 2017, 10:28:18 AM »
    I'm thinking that's 10% of what should be kept on hand. At least that's what I tell my wife when she opens the closets in my cave. I need to work on the rest. I have no armor protection at all.

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    Oh, well of course. I was only talking about bare cupboard minimums, my friend  ;). The well heeled individuals in the know would have all the self sufficient amenities that they could afford.

    The above was merely the PSA I would make if I was president: "have one semi auto carbine, 1k of ammo for it, preferrably LBE even if cheap airsoft stuff, one handgun in a service calibre. Carry a gun, zen the fluff up, and remember to vaccinate your children and get 30 minutes of excerise for 3 days out of the week. That concludes this PSA, my fellow Americans, Prez outty. *does mic drop and leaves*.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #21 on: March 08, 2017, 10:34:01 AM »
    That is sound advice, and thanks for the chuckles as well. (Recommendations on armor?)


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    « Reply #22 on: March 08, 2017, 11:00:20 AM »
    That is sound advice, and thanks for the chuckles as well. (Recommendations on armor?)


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    No worries  ;).

    You might not want to take my advice on armour. I'm a poor college student and I am one of those very one's who had to scrimp and scrounge in order to save up for 1k of cheap Wolf 7.62X39. In fact, I still do not have my plates purchased that I want, but I've had my eyes on them for... Goodness, years now. I like the AR 500 plates because my research has shown that ceramic degrades over time. Not only this, steel can stand to be dropped. When it comes to wearing the stuff, I've heard there is no comparison between ceramic and steel, that ceramic is in every way superior to steel. However, steel seems to be superior when it comes to storage, and I reckon I'll leave my plates in storage more than I'll be wearing them and fighting off the zombie hordes.

    Not to mention that ceramic is more expensive than steel.

    So that is my very limited knowledge and opinion on which body armour to get.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Do Rifled Slugs Spin from a smoothbore?
    « Reply #23 on: March 08, 2017, 11:12:00 AM »
    Just drifing along... :whistle

    Well, did the video convince anyone that Foster Slugs actually spin from a smoothbore?
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    « Reply #24 on: March 08, 2017, 11:16:02 AM »
    Just drifing along... :whistle

    Well, did the video convince anyone that Foster Slugs actually spin from a smoothbore?

    I believe the consensus was that while 1/4 to 1/2 of a turn is not great, that being shot by a slug of any sort is not great either.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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