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Anyone with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« on: December 28, 2010, 04:42:27 PM »
Due to some legal wrangling, if one wants a repeating shotgun here that isn't permanently neutered to 2+1 shells, lever action is the only way to go. The problem, more specifically, is the following: all shotguns meeting the minimum barrel lenght (and no detachable mags :'() are legal for hunting, but those who wrote the regulations did not include lever action shotguns among the "must be permanently neutered". So I'm looking at those. It must however be changed to not be able to have more than two shells in the tube while actually hunting (and I want something with a larger capacity when just shooting for the fun of it at the range). So, anyone who could clue me in on the feasability of a temporary modification? Can one simply unscrew the...end-cap, I guess...on the magazine tube and insert a dowel of suitable lenght and a shorter spring? Or is the cap welded in?

Other thoughts on this shotgun? If it's not feasible, I might just buy myself a nice coachgun instead, but a repeating shotgun of some sort is tempting...

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Re: Anyone who with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 06:19:07 PM »
I couldn't remember where you from - Sweden, right? Most of the time my tube magazine shotguns don't have a dowel in the magazine to limit them to 2 shells for hunting, except for WHEN they are being used for hunting. As far as the 1887 lever shotgun, I don't know if the mag cap just screws off, except for the cowboy action crowd hardly anyone uses one over here.

Another thought - I don't do it personally but I know several people who do, and read the ramblings of plenty of other folks who shoot the 1887 lever and the 1897 pump (cowboy action shooters) - and plenty of them just gave up on making those two shotguns run consistently and went back to coach guns. It seems that shooting them occasionally is fine, but several hundred rounds a week wears them pretty fast.
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Re: Anyone who with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 06:33:07 PM »
I couldn't remember where you from - Sweden, right? Most of the time my tube magazine shotguns don't have a dowel in the magazine to limit them to 2 shells for hunting, except for WHEN they are being used for hunting. As far as the 1887 lever shotgun, I don't know if the mag cap just screws off, except for the cowboy action crowd hardly anyone uses one over here.

Another thought - I don't do it personally but I know several people who do, and read the ramblings of plenty of other folks who shoot the 1887 lever and the 1897 pump (cowboy action shooters) - and plenty of them just gave up on making those two shotguns run consistently and went back to coach guns. It seems that shooting them occasionally is fine, but several hundred rounds a week wears them pretty fast.
Yep.( A curse and pox on the hunter's organisation who rejected the idea from the legislators years ago to remove the mag restrictions on shotguns :banghead.)
Unfortunatly, the rules are written to allow a lever or bolt-action shotgun to have a mag that isn't permanently neutered. I guess another option would be to find a semi or pump-action shotgun that came from the factory with a 2 shell tube, but the only one I've seen is a specific model from Remington that is now discontinued.
Bah, I'm gonna find the blackest and most tacky-tical coachgun I can find >:D. Stoeger Double Defense anyone? >:D

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Re: Anyone with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 06:42:54 PM »
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It is my understanding that the Norinco supply of 1887s has pretty much dried up from the earlier lot BUT that there is someone else importing another 1887 clone.  IAC I believe. 

But this is the guy you should be asking is Coyote Cap (Jr).  I happened across that chap at a 'shooters fest' and he is a few hours south of me.  Well, he is one of the most respected gunsmiths for long guns in cowboy action shooting, and if there is anyone who knows 1887s and what can be done to them, he is your man. 



See Coyote Cap (Sr) was a bronc busting cowboy on the rodeo circuit until he finally had some sense bucked into him, and then turned to gunsmithing.  American Gunsmith's Guild voted him 'top 10' gunsmith in the USA, and he passed his skills on down to his son, and grandson.

What's more, Coyote Cap has been to to the Norinco plant making 1887s numerous times and got them to change some stuff for the better.  Thing is, what they are really making is a Winchester 1901 clone but in 12 gauge (1901 was an improved 1887 made to handle smokeless powder but was available in 10 gauge only) but the 1901 has been improved even further, and can digest 2 3/4th magnum rounds. as well



Coyote Cap also was concerned about a 'made in china' gun...both in quality (which is why he went) and his concern for the American Worker

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Here are some important facts you need to know - - These new 1887 lever action shotguns and M-93/97 pump shotguns, are NOT all Chinese made. A lot of American workers went back to work, making parts for these shotguns.

The American Walnut stocks for all of the Chinese I.A.C. shotguns are coming from Missouri (about 35,000 were sent to China).

A large shipment of Pachmayr "Sporting Clays" recoil pads were sent to China to be installed on "Special Edition" models.

All of the "Win-Choke", choke tubes are a contract we have with Tru-Lock Corporation of Georgia. and each choke tube is laser engraved to depict each as a "Commemorative".

Manson Corp has supplied us with several complete sets of choke tube reamers and taps, chambering reamers and forcing cone reamers that were also sent to China.

All of the chambers in these shotguns are being cut with American made chambering reamers and forcing cone cutters.

The lettering and stamping tools were Made in America

Even the #4 large brass front sight beads are American Made

A huge shipment of Birchwood Casey Walnut stock stain and finish in 55 gal drums went to China for our shotguns.

Because the Chinese ship (5) guns to each box, we needed individual shipping boxes, which meant ordering boxes for all three models, the 99 doubles, the 97 pumps and now the 87 lever actions. I don't have the figures for all three shotgun models, however, there are pallets of American made shipping boxes being used for each shotgun to go to it's new owner

When you get right down to figuring out where all the money is going for these Chinese shotguns, we are putting a huge number of Americans to work - - from the UPS to Fed-Ex drivers and the postal office workers, Gun Dealers, Distributors, Ammo manufactures, printers and copiers, magazine editors and even the telephone and cell phone companies are making money.

When I was asked to go to China to sort out some problems, as a Viet-Nam Veteran, I had a real problem in that, and for more than two years I refused to go over there (for any reason).

After some hard thinking and serious questions to our Lord and maker, I was given the insight (vision actually) to pursue this project and put people to work, both here and in China.

I feel good about it !

"Coyote Cap"



http://www.coyotecap.com/index1.htm

http://www.coyotecap.com/mod__87_wcse2.htm

You can get one that has had the 5 hour action job or a much more basic 'straight from the factory, just quality checked' for $450


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December 2010 - - - - NEWS FLASH - - - - 2010 model IAC shotguns are now in stock.

The majority of these guns are manufactured at the new plant in China, using CNC milling machinery, and the results can readily be seen in "out-of-the-box" smoothness and quality

These guns are the very latest in design, incorporating all of the M-93/97 upgrades, to include coil spring operation of the left extractors and serious attention to detail in the areas of fit and finish of the American Walnut and closeness of tolerances to the action.

These guns are so good, that we noticed each gun only needs slight tuning of the factory settings and they DON'T NEED AN EXPENSIVE ACTION JOB !!

 
Total capacity of the pumps and lever actions, is (7) rounds.

 
THIS IS OUR PRESENT INVENTORY     

I.A.C. M-97w-20-tg  "Trench Guns" - - - - - -  $600.00
I.A.C. M-97w-20-st  "Standard models" - - -   $550.00
I.A.C. M-97w-20-pc  "Period Correct" - - - -   $600.00
I.A.C. M-93w-20-rg  "Riot Gun Model"- - - -   $550.00
I.A.C. M-93/97w-20  "Standard Model" - - -   $550.00
I.A.C. M-87w-20-st   "Standard Model" - - -   $650.00
I.A.C. M-01w-20-pt   "1901 Prototypes" - - -  $1,500.00 (hand built 12ga.)
I.A.C. M-99w-20-cg   "1887 Coachguns" - -    $450.00    

Coyote Cap M-93/97wcse-18, "Competition" $700.00
Coyote Cap M-87wse-20 "Commemorative"  $700.00

NOTE:  these prices are a departure from other prices posted in this site.   


http://www.coyotecap.com/index.html

I know he or his guys are checking every gun that comes in, because frankly, the chinese manufacturers tend to Frak stuff up and not follow instructions.  They even put the cosmetic leather strap that was to act as a 'finger pillow' on wrong in such a way that the dangly bits were getting caught in the action. :facepalm

http://www.coyotecap.com/gunsmithingsimplified.htm

The one thing I have to say about this is...this makes me think of all the OTHER guns (or anything) being made in china where the big corporation is NOT checking and finding the myrid of mistakes being made and slightly out of spec parts etc etc.






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Re: Anyone with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 09:28:56 PM »
If Viking lives in Sweden he is probably not going to get one of the US "specials".  He'll be getting one of the general export models similar to those seen in Australia and Canada.

Which are, honestly, not that great.

Most of you guys will have read posts of mine waxing rhapsodic over my Norinco 1911a1.  It is a fabulous gun.  It is also the only one of nine (or so) Norinco firearms that I have owned that have not been returned to the distributor or sold on.

I got one of the first lot of 1887's, one of the shorter barrelled ones.  Exterior looked very nice.  Interior was a little rough.  Which is definately a drawback on a complicated mechanism like an 1887.  It jammed.  It jammed so bad I sent it back to the distributor with the lever locked open.

Most functioning 1887's I have seen have been smoothed.
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Re: Anyone with a Norinco 1887 shotgun?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 02:55:02 PM »
If Viking lives in Sweden he is probably not going to get one of the US "specials".  He'll be getting one of the general export models similar to those seen in Australia and Canada.

Which are, honestly, not that great.

Most of you guys will have read posts of mine waxing rhapsodic over my Norinco 1911a1.  It is a fabulous gun.  It is also the only one of nine (or so) Norinco firearms that I have owned that have not been returned to the distributor or sold on.

I got one of the first lot of 1887's, one of the shorter barrelled ones.  Exterior looked very nice.  Interior was a little rough.  Which is definately a drawback on a complicated mechanism like an 1887.  It jammed.  It jammed so bad I sent it back to the distributor with the lever locked open.

Most functioning 1887's I have seen have been smoothed.

my default setting when I read about stupid gun restrictions is to assume the person is from CA

Still, Coyote Cap would be able to answer his questions and if a dowel wouldn't work would be able to create and sell a solution, then Viking simply needs to find an 1887


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