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Re: Winchester Blind Side
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2011, 12:12:15 am »
George,

The white wad Winchester steel shot load in the video, appears to be the same wad used in WW #1B shotshells.
It is... Winchester uses that same wadding - which is actually a 2 piece wad - in a lot of their shotshells.
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #26 on: February 03, 2011, 12:21:50 am »
    I'd bet, and heavily at that, that the guy, or guys responsible for this were sitting around playing D&D one day when somebody had to roll a d6................

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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #27 on: February 03, 2011, 01:18:18 am »
    I'd bet, and heavily at that, that the guy, or guys responsible for this were sitting around playing D&D one day when somebody had to roll a d6................

    and a light went on.

    "I'm gonna roll 100d6 on that duck!"  :clap :rotfl
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #28 on: February 03, 2011, 10:13:44 am »
    To all those killed by a 9mm, "Get up! You are not dead! You were shot with a useless cartridge!" -HVS

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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #29 on: February 03, 2011, 12:50:13 pm »
    It is... Winchester uses that same wadding - which is actually a 2 piece wad - in a lot of their shotshells.

    Yes, I mentioned the #1B loads because none of WW other buckshot rounds, (as far as I know), use any kind of shot  cup wad with buckshot.  As close as I can determine the somewhat irregular * #1B pellets in WW loads measure .290" in diameter.  ( * Can you say - buffer is cheaper than antimony * )

    That said, a "Blind Side" buckshot round would be the first intentionally pre-deformed   commercial buckshot load ever offered. Frankly after all the efforts over the years to prevent buckshot pellets from deforming due to setback, bore scrub, forcing cones, choke boring, and engineering malfeasance, it is hard to conceive of this type of round actually providing a usable pattern at anything more than "off-the-muzzle" distances.

    This from a guy who has been known to heat-treat high antimony buckshot to prevent pellet deformation!
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #30 on: February 03, 2011, 12:58:43 pm »
    Like I said. Just like salt crystals or offset buckyballs.

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    « Reply #31 on: February 03, 2011, 03:22:08 pm »
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    If it was offered in a 00 buck -

    Look into their "Dead Coyote" and "Bear" loads. They do load them with 00buck. I don't know if the 00buck is available in shot form for the reloader.

    Yes, it looks bad, but I've never seen steel or lead pattern as well as HS.

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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #32 on: February 03, 2011, 03:32:35 pm »
    "I'm gonna roll 100d6 on that duck!"  :clap :rotfl

    They should mix some d4's in that mix of d6's. You know the d4! The caltrop of the dice world.  :devillol
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #33 on: February 03, 2011, 07:28:45 pm »
    They should mix some d4's in that mix of d6's. You know the d4! The caltrop of the dice world.  :devillol
    The purpose is to kill the animal cleanly, not gut it and shred it before its dead!

    Unless its a two legged animal wishing to do you harm. Then all bets are off.
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #34 on: February 03, 2011, 07:48:27 pm »
    I think that even though the Blind Side is not perfectly round, the fact that they are uniform will help.  Combined with a Flight Control type wadding, I think they will pattern just fine.  The increased pellet count certainly helps. 
    From what I saw at the Media Range Day - they seemed to pattern great.  However, I didn't actually shoot any at a pattern board.   
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #35 on: February 03, 2011, 08:49:21 pm »
    The purpose is to kill the animal cleanly, not gut it and shred it before its dead!

    Unless its a two legged animal wishing to do you harm. Then all bets are off.

    I don't hunt, so yeah. ;)
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #36 on: February 06, 2011, 12:52:52 am »
    I think that even though the Blind Side is not perfectly round, the fact that they are uniform will help.  Combined with a Flight Control type wadding, I think they will pattern just fine.  The increased pellet count certainly helps. 
    From what I saw at the Media Range Day - they seemed to pattern great.  However, I didn't actually shoot any at a pattern board.   

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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #37 on: February 06, 2011, 09:12:04 pm »
    I still think that the Federal Tactical buckshot with the Flitecontrol Wad is magic. When Winchester makes this in OO buck, I'll have to compare the two, maybe buy a little bit of each.

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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #38 on: February 07, 2011, 11:33:17 am »
    I have no doubt that evolving wad technology will at some point use wad design rather than choke for pattern control.
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #39 on: February 07, 2011, 08:38:07 pm »
    Still, with so much variety in designs you'd think they'd abandon some designs altogether and stick with proven engineering. Like slugs for example. This .68 cal powerhouse, even in a 2 3/4 standard load, kills just about anything up close and some things out to 230 yards or more.
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #40 on: May 17, 2011, 10:40:39 am »
    They should mix some d4's in that mix of d6's. You know the d4! The caltrop of the dice world.  :devillol

    Me and some friends of mine had a similar idea, load a bunch of pyramidal 1/8th oz lead shot into a 00 buck magnum load for home defense. but we couldn't find 1/8th oz. pyramid sinkers, so we haven't tested the idea.
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    Re: Winchester Blind Side
    « Reply #41 on: November 08, 2011, 08:19:20 pm »
    The thing about the Blindside is the shape of the shot and how it stacks in the shotcup.  Getting more pellets into the shotshell is the whole point.  It doesn't look fancy on the outside.
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