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1911 SL Winchester
« on: September 07, 2011, 05:59:09 PM »
I inherited a 1911 SL 12 Gauge Winchester.
It is in absolutely pristine condition. Does anyone else have one or have experience with them? I called Winchester and asked to speak with a person familiar with the gun. Oddly enough they actually connected me to a Winchester historian, it was pretty sweet. Anyways he told me the background about why it was called the "widow maker" and such. But he had no experience with the gun.

If you have one is there anything I should know about this gun before shooting it?

What makes it accidently discharge?



For those who don't know what it is I attached a few pics. The first one is mine.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 02:04:34 AM »
    I have absolutely no experience with them but that is a gorgeous old Winchester.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 10:58:40 AM »
    can i ask why they called it the widow maker
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 01:28:34 AM »
    Never heard of this gun.  I'll probably be captain obvious by asking, but it does look like a direct competitor of the recoil operated Model 11/A-5?

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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 02:23:19 AM »
    I've heard of them, but never seen one in the flesh.  Nice find!
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 07:15:31 AM »
    Sorry for the late response! been away for a while.

    Thanks for the comments on it. Its a family heirloom.

    They call it the widow maker because several hunters were killed while loading it. This was the first semi-auto from Winchester, a competitor to the A-5 from browning. To load the gun the chamber is opened by grabbing the barrel and pulling it towards you, into the receiver. The loading port is then opened. The problem was people would put the butt stock on the ground and the barrel on their chest, leaning on the gun to open the port. An obvious and fatal mistake.

    That's what I have since found out about the gun. Came from grandfather with 2 lengths as well.


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    I made the initial mistake of putting this in the rifle section. I've realized that. My mad.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 12:07:18 AM »
    That does seem like a design flaw. :facepalm
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 05:01:30 PM »
    is that the shotgun where the barrel moves back and forth with each shot?

    I remember seeing someone come into a gunshop with one desiring to scope it and they basically told them because of the design it wasn't going to happen

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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 09:49:48 PM »
    is that the shotgun where the barrel moves back and forth with each shot?

    I remember seeing someone come into a gunshop with one desiring to scope it and they basically told them because of the design it wasn't going to happen

    There are a number of long-recoil operated shotguns whose barrels move with each shot. Most are variants/clones of the Browning Auto-5.

    Funny thing though, it's still possible to scope them with the right mount:
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2011, 12:21:16 AM »
    Long recoil shotguns I can recall: Remington 11-48, Remington Model 11/Browning A-5, Franchi AL48, Winchester 1911, and the Breda.  I'm sure that there are others.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2011, 02:11:07 AM »
    I could be mistaken but I believe my wife's great grandmother became a widow to one of these.  Interesting.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 08:56:52 PM »
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    That does seem like a design flaw

    From what I understand they couldn't put a normal cocking handle on it because Browning's patent covered that, too. And IIRC, Winchester was dumb enough to turn down the A-5 when Browning brought the design to them first.

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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 06:09:41 AM »
    is that the shotgun where the barrel moves back and forth with each shot?

    I remember seeing someone come into a gunshop with one desiring to scope it and they basically told them because of the design it wasn't going to happen

    Yea. Just a tad bit.
    I don't ever recommend anyone putting a scope on this thing.
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    Re: 1911 SL Winchester
    « Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 09:46:40 PM »
    Discontinued by Winchester in 1925.

    Excellent write up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1911
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