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« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2014, 10:30:05 PM »
Here is picture of 585HE 100 cases  loaded, CEB solid nose bullets
and hollowpoints. This bullet is a turned solid with wide meplat
or wide hollowpoint. .



Here is picture of triball loads that fellows like for deer and hogs,
and just general tear em up fun, with using BPGS seal to improve
sealing under what are heavier loads.  The balls are .600" and
315gr. each. The wadcup is a TUPRW123 that Precision sells.



I need a bunch of empty  3.5" 20ga plastic cases.


Our 585 caliber is modern bolt action continuance of the 577 Nitro
Express rimmed case,  that many big game hunters like, usually
set up in double rifles. It has an interesting history, from the old 24ga
size to 577NE, to 585 Nyati  with G&A picture of Ross Seyfreid
shooting one in a Ruger #1 under recoil knocking his shooting glasses
off, to the Trex of internet fame knocking guys over with recoil,
 to our 585HE the strongest yet.

The 577NE is an offshoot of  24 gauge caliber paper cases, only they went
eventially to brass cases. Back in the 1860-70s, starting first with short
cases and black powder,  cases built like shotgun cases, called the
577 Snider, then going to coiled brass cases, still with black powder,
then on to drawn brass cases, called 577 BP Express. then to 3"
and other longer cases with smokeless. The Snider started out with a bullet
of .570" diameter and through the progression to the 577NE bullet
diameter ended up at .585". This general bore diameter of cartridge guns
and muzzle loaders, it is really interesting on how they developed
and were used by military and then hunters over the years. The Snider
was necked down to make the 577-450 , a military round used all
over the British Empire, by the tens of millions.

Bases of both 24ga and 577NE are about the same. Now we have made a
24ga FH, a  slight regression to earlier times, by  taking 577NE brass, and
reducing rim diameter to 24ga specs. Two minute job. And
stamp the caseheads 24 ga.

For shotgun upgrading in power and range, It is all about increasing
the power in easy to find brass cases, stronger actions,  and finding
reasonable price  rifled barrels. Same barrels we found for 585, work for 24ga.
The 577NE brass we make 24ga drawn cases from, for example are
about a third the cost of  600NE brass, or getting turned 24ga cases made.
We could use 24ga thin cases but they are a pain, expand way too much,
with slug loads which makes resizing without crumpling cases a problem.

Info about the power in  types of guns  normally set up with 24ga FH,
break actions, bolt shotguns,etc. In thin brass 24ga case, 440gr slug
goes 1500, with about 2000 ft lbs, that's in a 2.5" Magtech brass case.
Now  using the better, heavier 3"  brass we got, we can increase speed
to 1750 fps increasing energy 50%, going to 2000 fps about doubles
energy. And going to 2300 which good brass holds ok, in heavy barrel
gun, gets us  near  2  1/2 times the energy. About 37-40,000 psi which the
actions hold in this smaller diameter case, compared to 12 gauge size.
So makes  relatively smaller bore  shotgun, 24ga,  with  458WIN power.
.Perfect with Minie bullets. Perfect for deer and hogs, bear, etc.

Great for slug hunting in shotgun only areas. We mark barrels 24ga
and cases 24. A decent case that is complimentary to our 585HE....Ed


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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #101 on: October 26, 2014, 01:53:46 PM »
    Nice.   :cool   What you guys are doing is fascinating.  I have little to no use for anything with that level of "whomp" but the cool factor is undeniable. 
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    « Reply #102 on: December 19, 2014, 09:00:02 PM »
    Guys asking about using 585 CEB bullet in our 12ga super
    sabot. Here is picture, We just took off the bottom band and couple
    middle bands on the CEB  and it fit perfect in our 12ga sabot,
    which uses .575"  slugs.  Hollowpoint one pictured 700gr in the
    sabot loaded in brass case. Can be used in plastic case with a
    special made hollowed out long roll crimper.



    Getting some more interest in our 585HE.
    An application for our 585 HE is for guys with old military 14.5mm
    PTRDs, to use our case with chamber insert. In many places  14.5
    cases are scarce, real expensive, as well as most 14.5mm cases
    being steel are not the easiest to resize/reload. Our case sizes
    like regular cases and can be easily reloaded many times.

    And  a PTRD with almost a  5 foot long barrel could  get 650gr
    spitzer bullet to about same speed the 14.5mm gets a 900 gr using
    3 times as much powder. About 3300 fps.  Or get a 900gr at 2800.
    Great possibilities for fun shooting. For  tactical use in a place
    where it would be useful to reload in the operations field, where
    steel cases are scarce. 100 of our cases do over 2000 reloads.



    I  like Enfields to put our 585HEs in, for reasonable cost guns, the
    actions once sporterized are one of the longest for long cases. .
    Here is inexpensive way to fancy up the Enfield Bolt handle by
    cutting the dogleg part of the old handle off and welding on
    inexpensive contoured handles I found, one of which is like
    Ruger 77 handle, the one on  the right . Something even a novice
    like me can do.....



    A lot of guys are crazy about CEB bullets. Here are light 450gr
    ones in our 24ga FH. That hollowpoint  can range in weight 450gr
    to 700gr depending on how much we cut off the back..
    The 24ga FH brass case is nice complement to our 585HE,
    for  shotgun only deer hunters that want a .585" caliber,
    and easy to find big bore bullets.... Ed





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    « Reply #103 on: February 14, 2015, 02:14:35 PM »
    For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH
    here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds  .451/.452" light
    bullets 225 to 300 gr.  A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil
    but a big bang and satisfaction. A 250 gr bullet would go about
    mach 4 with a top load..



    Here is what 585 bull barrel, target blank looks like, 1 5/8" OD and 32" long.
    It'll go in heavy action of some kind. 4th one from the left. The one in yellow
    sleave on top, is a heavy contoured one with muzzle of  .980". we   got a
    bunch of them and so does McGowen.




    Here is picture, nice cast bullet I like for the 585HE and 24ga FH.
    It is .585" diameter and  650 gr and these particular ones are a
    hard lead alloy, plus they've been heatreated. They are about as
    hard as copper jacketed softs pivtured. These in .575'' size would
    work in our 12ga sabot..



    But to penetrate good and do great damage to game or target they
    can be fairly soft lead and hollowbase like Minie Bullets. Here is picture
    of timber drilled through with .585 soft lead Minie from 585HE.
    Picture is the back of 6x6 timbers where Minie bullets came out.



    Guys experimenting with multiple ball loads in 12ga wadcups, here is a
    way to keep them together group wise.Ed




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    « Reply #104 on: February 18, 2015, 02:01:20 AM »
    Nice.   Thanks for the updates. 
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    « Reply #105 on: February 18, 2015, 12:43:04 PM »
    These might run afoul of "strung buck" hunting regulations in some states.



    Guys experimenting with multiple ball loads in 12ga wadcups, here is a
    way to keep them together group wise.Ed




    « Last Edit: February 18, 2015, 12:58:18 PM by RMc »
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    « Reply #106 on: February 18, 2015, 01:56:43 PM »
    So, do these get around the NFA .50 cal rule by technically being shotguns?  Or is it because they have "explicit sporting purposes" like the big African rifles?

    Either way, I think it's cool.  I'd like some kind of single-shot 10-gauge monster.  I don't know why.
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    « Reply #107 on: April 22, 2015, 10:28:02 AM »
    Here is picture of our NEF 12ga FH with Hogue Compstock. It has the
    recoiling cam and springs in the hollow butt plus some weght,



    Here is a variety of slugs and bullets that fit in the 12ga  dangerous
    game slug, lock on sabot. BPI sells that DG slug.

    .

    There is  couple 585 videos  on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site;
    Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1,  that was done in Australia.It was  set up
    for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed the
    first AUS buff, killed by a 585HE, that I posted picture of above. You can
    go direct to the page and click on the videos to watch the test firings..

    https://www.facebook.com/swanbarrels/videos


    Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI stock, with the
    style of a CZ stock and metal will be  finished with a Gun Kote finish.





    Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
    singleshot test gun.  We used a composite stock we
    adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
     Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.



    And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
    just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.And the 24hr Campfire
    forum has over a million views of this thread, ..ED

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    « Reply #108 on: June 25, 2015, 11:22:37 AM »
    All shotgun calibers are exempt from DD rules and the rest
    we just apply for and got a sporting use exemption.

    The 12ga FH isn't the first wildcat case built on BMG brass, it was preceded by
    target rounds like the  necked down 338 Talbot, the cut off 700 DKT for big game,
    necked down to .416 and . 458, and more, but  the following one was way
     before them, in my favorite rifle caliber, for .585" bullets.

    One of  first  modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2,  the 575 Miller-Greiss Magnum,
    was first mentioned in the fifties,  It was made from BMG brass shortened  to 2.70" long
    and necked up from 50 cal to .585". But actually if cut off first, it would be annealed, necked
    down to hold 585 bullet. Fairly sharp shoulder.

    They rebated the rim quite a ways down to .618" to maybe  fit 98 Mauser bolt.
    Maybe used a special hogged out, reworked action. Listed as 
    shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about 150gr of ball powder under
    a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter case,  where our 585HE holds
    180gr under a 750gr'.

    We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG case.With rim left same as the base
    and would need a BMG or PH sized bolt and action. I'm glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
    and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and new. Years ago when guys did 
    big wildcats on BMGs, they took what was available, full length BMGs to rework, and but
    maybe  back then they could have used the 3" BMG spotter case,  by shortening the neck,
    if they could have found  couple barrels full.

    But it takes a lot of work to reform and shorten cases that much like M&G, with the multiple dies,
    multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme reworking of regular rifle actions,
    which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight, any regular,  long bolt action, or
    falling blocks, break actions, etc, a  585 good for dozen or more heavy loadings,
    and moderate loads, last forever..

    For our 585HE , made it a size, actually new belted size, to fit regular size, long bolt guns,
    (not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from tripod so to speak, and could be put in a favorite
    gun of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without taking metal out of the feed trough.
     To get the same and/or more powder space as a cut back, really shortened, BMG case, like M&G,
    wildcatted  to 585, or other short cases, we made longer case and worked with guys
    with a group buy, to get a factory run made. A miracle. We thank all gun nuts for the help.

    Here is picture from the great site, cartridgecollector dot net, of the M&G Mag .Ed



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    « Reply #109 on: September 25, 2015, 04:46:23 AM »
    Sorry to be away so long, health, getting old, and interruptions.
    Here is picture of a lightweight Barnes bullet in 24ga FH.
    Guys cut the back off of  750gr bullet off to get 500gr weight.



    Here is picture 58 cal Minie slug that's little long on the side  for our 12ga
    sabot, with the front of the slug above the grooves swaged to fit in
    sabot. The swaged front third of the slug fits next to the internal ridge in
     sabot and the sabot doesn't bulge out.Just run front into a die
    and punch it back out.



    And some info about 12ga FH and other hopped up shotgun slug loads,
    You know we  use couple of the  rifle powders, slower than shotgun powders, .
    We like to use IMR 4759 for some loads and slower RE17 for others where
    we have room for larger charges. Those two powders are ignited ok in large
    diameter cases like 12ga, 10ga, 16ga, etc, without needing BMG primers.
    But we have always been looking for easy to ignite powders of the RE17
    type, in all temps, that has a speed between the IMR  4759 and the RE17. 
    RE17 uses different mfg process to put the deterrents in the powder kernel to
    control speeds, which allows much easier ignition, because the deterrent is
    not all on the outside of the kernel.   RE17 ignites easier compared to 98%
    majority of rifle powders with all the deterrent on the outside.

    But there are some out there  made by Nitrochemie Switzerland, who makes
    RE17, RE26, RE33, etc,  for Alliant. It's the ' RELOAD SWISS'  brand available
    for those folks in UK and Europe, They are called-   RS 40, about same speed
    as RE12,  RS 50 & 52,  about same speed as RE15,  RE60 & 62 same as RE17.
    Also one ' Vihta Vouri ' powder  called  TR140 available  over there,
    that Nitrochemie made..

    Many guys can't get IMR 4759 anymore, some can't get RE17.
    Be nice to get some of  RS 40-50-52 powders or  the V V  TR140 shipped, if ever
    possible, into the states, would really be great help for hairy slug load work.
    But the guys in UK/EU now can load some real hairy, slow powder, slug loads,
    we experimented with, even though not having IMR 4759....Ed


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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #110 on: September 25, 2015, 10:26:07 PM »
    Just curious if you've tried any Trail Boss powder in those big ole' rounds?
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    « Reply #111 on: October 31, 2015, 04:05:46 AM »
    No we haven't tried Trailboss,  I'll check with others.

    We got guys wildcatting our 585HE case,




    Here is picture of  that 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
    He is going to make couple later  necked down to 416, and 458.
    There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.



    Here is a picture of our poster  Biebs on AR,  585 HE,  in a MPI stock.
    He used a big Enfield action, with a  fancy jeweled bolt.



    We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
    long overall length loaded cases,  like 4.5" long or more, if you are
    using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
    One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is  Stiller Cheytac actions
    made similar, just a  newer version. Both actions come in  1.45" diameter
     and a 1.60" diameter receivers.  ..Ed



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    « Reply #112 on: November 09, 2015, 07:03:19 PM »
    Here we kill two birds with one stone so to speak,

    Best case sizer is the MEC Collet Super Sizer and it can double
    as a case holder when we roll crimp. Much better hold than
    the ones made to hold cases for crimping, that cost a lot.
    Save cost of a holder, plus have best sizer around



    Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
    in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First  laminated  thumbhole stock.
    Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
    like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
    The scope rail is a piccatiny type.





    The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
    block ahead of recoil inleting  for the longer action, drill new screw hole
    Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.

    About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
    sporterizing, welding  bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
    is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one being added on for a jig
    with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
    extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
    When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
    the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
    The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
    Just keep on building...Ed



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    « Reply #113 on: November 09, 2015, 08:53:36 PM »
    No we haven't tried Trailboss,  I'll check with others.

    We got guys wildcatting our 585HE case,




    Here is picture of  that 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
    He is going to make couple later  necked down to 416, and 458.
    There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.




    Hey, hubel585.

    I normally don't comment here due to having limited knowledge in this area, but could you give me the specs on the 375 warlord cartridge? How does it's fps and bullet wt compare to 585 HE? What are both cartridges effective range?

    Thanks for the specs on both rounds! I may not know exactly what I'm looking at, but it's fascinating none the less!  :cool
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    « Reply #114 on: November 21, 2015, 05:07:06 AM »
    585HE gets  650gr  3000 fps ----   375 Warlord  350 gr about 3200.

    Both   are full length,  both have   .654"  belt and rim diameter.

    Both have .634" base ahead of the  belt. Both with those high

    velocities will be good for long range with pointed bullets.Ed

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    « Reply #115 on: December 10, 2015, 08:02:13 AM »
     Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
    a guy in Canada.  Its straight back,  high comb
    stock, handles recoil great.Neat looking work... Ed




    About our 2.17"  585 BB  case for lever guns, pistols, etc,.
    It is made from our 585 case cut back to 2.17" long.
    With loaded length of about 2.8" work in lever guns, etc.
    Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
    One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
    Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
    to simulate pistol  recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
    that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet.
    Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
    Or rolling block rifles and  pistols...Gonna try one  in 1887.
    Got first one in one of our guys Greener GP for testing..

    In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
    By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
    Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site.




    Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
    On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
    and shape it so  debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
    weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
    Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
    like a compact UTG sight...Ed



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    « Reply #116 on: January 24, 2016, 06:52:26 PM »
    A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
    That is neat term , and very glad  that folks are catching the big bore fever.

    Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
    bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
     I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
    bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.




    Here is another pic of our guys 24ga FH in the NEF




    On straight sided cases  like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
    die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
    felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
    roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
    bullet or slug, shortens case life.

    So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
    of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
    amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
    with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
    work that has to be done in the press ... Ed




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    « Reply #117 on: February 12, 2016, 10:15:57 PM »
    Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun cases, holding
    a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with.
    These with light brass slugs supposed to do over 2000 fps.




    Here is  video by Corlanes Sporting,  Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
    Known as  Rocky Mtn Rifle.  Video is on Youtube of  testing our
    585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
    shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..



     Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
    the second one they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
    AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
    Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for  585HE..



    Picture of Rossi singleshot with 585 barrel mono-blocked  into it,
    chambered for our 585 BB  2.17" case, for testing in a light rifle
    with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
    put case in leverguns,  autoloaders. We got lots  of cases. Ed



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    « Reply #118 on: March 17, 2016, 08:08:14 PM »
    Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
    I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.



    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest,  that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE  and  24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.

     Well the guys have  found one that is super strong lockup and  looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon  be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH,  the little brother of the 585HE.

    Told company if they did them NEFUltra style, rifled, heavy 12ga slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.




    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that  Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed



    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed



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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #119 on: April 14, 2016, 07:53:16 AM »
    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,




    Here is folder shotgun, the  guys set up as 24ga FH.
    Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
    compared to many others.




    Here is another  view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




    Here is picture of a  585HE  MRC PH a guy set up..








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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #120 on: April 14, 2016, 09:28:53 PM »
    Ed, who is doing the monoblock on the Fedarms 12ga?

    It looks like a good prospect.  How does it compare to the NEF actions?


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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #121 on: April 17, 2016, 11:45:07 PM »
    We do it here by cutting off barrel, at the front  of original

    monoblock,    thus making a breech block and ream it,

     and threading in new 585"  barrel,  has over  twice as much

    thread as bolt actions, never come apart.

    It is stronger locking system than NEFs..Ed

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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #122 on: May 12, 2016, 01:04:21 AM »
    Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



    Here is old  catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
    for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



    Here is picture of a MN  a guy is  doing 585HE in..
    It is singleshot. Redid  bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt
    further back, so the port could be lengthened  for our long case.
    Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
    Needs, more shaping,  polishing, blueing, scope rail added.





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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #123 on: June 18, 2016, 09:32:42 AM »
    There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
    locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
    Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

    Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.




    Here  is another view of  the great camo job on the
    585HE Enfield,  a top view.  Ed



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    Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga From Hell Shotgun/Rifles--585 & 700 HE Blasters--
    « Reply #124 on: July 24, 2016, 12:48:47 AM »
    Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver

    wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.

    Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga  one BPI has.


     



    Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

    It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

    by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

    Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

    the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us,  through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.


     



    That action similar to  Lawton we had and neighbor got,  that won the King Of The

    2 Mile shoot at Whittington,  with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

     from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

    He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

    Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED




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