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"Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
« on: July 16, 2011, 02:36:43 AM »
Ran across this bit of "Western" gun lore recently. 

Apparently buckshot sizes were under different system in the West of the late 19th century.

Western buckshot pellet size comparison to current:

Western #1 = 0000B = .380"  (used in 10 gauge shotguns)
Western #2 = 000B = .360"
Western #3 = 00B = .330"
Western #4 = 0B = .320"
Western #5 = 1B = .300"

Lawrence shot marketed bagged buckshot, using Western sizes, as late as 1979.





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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 09:18:11 AM »
    Something else to keep in mind is that buckshot isn't exactly manufactured to very tight tolerances.  It's usually made using a shot tower and their diameter can vary quite a bit.

    I doubt anyone hit by it can tell the difference, and that's the important part.
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 09:08:01 PM »
    Something else to keep in mind is that buckshot isn't exactly manufactured to very tight tolerances.  It's usually made using a shot tower and their diameter can vary quite a bit.

    I doubt anyone hit by it can tell the difference, and that's the important part.

    These days buckshot is cold swaged from low antimony lead wire and, within a manufacturer's line, is quite close in size. Most buckshot however is smaller that the nominal size in order to stack inside a shot cup. The standard antimony level runs to .05% in most standard buckshot. However, "Premium" line buckshot pellets are made harder with a higher antimony level for enhanced pattern and penetration.  For example, Remington advertises their Law Enforcement Buckshot as having a 3% antimony content.

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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2011, 09:52:15 AM »
    These days buckshot is cold swaged from low antimony lead wire and, within a manufacturer's line, is quite close in size. Most buckshot however is smaller that the nominal size in order to stack inside a shot cup. The standard antimony level runs to .05% in most standard buckshot. However, "Premium" line buckshot pellets are made harder with a higher antimony level for enhanced pattern and penetration.  For example, Remington advertises their Law Enforcement Buckshot as having a 3% antimony content.



    Neat, that's nice to know.
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 03:52:54 PM »
     The more things change...the more enraged the Mutant Musket becomes: :cool

     Western buckshot  -  Eastern Buckshot
     Hailshot  -  Swanshot
     Fowlshot  -  Birdshot

     
     http://www.weights-and-measures.com/xcombulletgage.html

     
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 09:02:03 PM »
    Western size #3 Buck  =  Eastern size 00B and both are a nominal .330" in diameter.

     I recently heard some stories of how WWI veterans would tell of using #3B in combat. The Western vs Eastern buckshot size designations would explain that.

      
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 11:11:05 PM »
    Vintage 1922-1934 Remington Nitro-Club over-shot wad identifies load as  Eastern 0B and Western 4B.
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 09:58:21 PM »
    These days buckshot is cold swaged from low antimony lead wire and, within a manufacturer's line, is quite close in size. Most buckshot however is smaller that the nominal size in order to stack inside a shot cup. The standard antimony level runs to .05% in most standard buckshot. However, "Premium" line buckshot pellets are made harder with a higher antimony level for enhanced pattern and penetration.  For example, Remington advertises their Law Enforcement Buckshot as having a 3% antimony content.



    This Hornady video showcases current buckshot manufacturing methods at frame 0:52


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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 10:02:09 PM »
    I remember being confused by this as a kid when we bought shot for making fishing weights and loading in .30 caliber reduced power loads. :banghead
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    Re: "Western" Buckshot Sizes - not what you think!
    « Reply #9 on: December 31, 2016, 07:29:56 PM »
    This may be of interest:

    This Lawrence Brand Shot brochure is most likely from the late 1960s.  On page three, it has two charts. one for Western Buckshot and another in American Buckshot sizes.  Note: The term "American" replaced "Eastern" in industry nomenclature around 1960.

    Western Buckshot runs from #9 (.25") to #1 (.38"). 
    So 20 gauge 3 inch Magnum fans, take note of your favorite #7 1/2 Buckshot loads!

    http://www.lawrencebrandshot.com/wp-content/uploads/lawrencebrandleadshot.pdf

    Also of interest, the late 1960s list indicates all Lawrence buckshot was 100% lead.

    The current Lawrence web page only lists cast and tumbled 00B, (.34"), with a choice of 2% or 6% antimony content.

    http://www.lawrencebrandshot.com/product/hard-cast-buckshot/



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