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"...heavier shotguns are faster."
« on: December 18, 2016, 09:32:42 AM »
In the world of wingshooting and medium game shooting, with the multi-ball smoothbore, heavier shotguns are smoother to mount and faster on target.

Does this translate to defensive shotgunning? 

What say you?

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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 04:42:31 PM »
    Probably not - unless you're taking down enemy drones.   :cool    As was pointed out in the article, shooting trap or skeet and sitting in a duck blind is a lot different from walking up birds and trailing dogs all day in the field.  Rabbit hunting?  The edge would definitely go to the lighter gun - especially if you're hunting with dogs.   As a pure exercise in shooting I would give the edge to the heavier gun but move and shoot requires something that doesn't adversely affect your ability to move. 

    Defensive shotguns - particularly pump guns and auto loaders are already pretty heavy.  They also are typically used to engage targets much larger than birds at ranges closer than most wing shooting takes place.  Buckshot - of any size - is seldom used in a defensive situation outside of twenty five yards.  Slugs can be effective out to a hundred or so depending on the gun and the ammunition but again, in a defensive context you're not likely to need a gun that swings like a fine upland bird gun. 
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2016, 04:43:16 PM »
    In the world of wingshooting and medium game shooting, with the multi-ball smoothbore, heavier shotguns are smoother to mount and faster on target.

    Does this translate to defensive shotgunning? 

    What say you?

    http://www.fieldandstream.com/wingshooting-heavy-shotguns-for-faster-shooting

    Good question.

    My impression is....defensive shooting requires getting hands on the shotgun and bringing up to bear, possibly maneuvering, in a crisis.  So, some weight is good (like what comes stock on most models)... but not "too heavy"? (I go with 5+1 Security models, 5 extra shells in sleeve on buttstock)
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #3 on: December 19, 2016, 11:52:31 AM »
    We had a semi-tactical timmy here at one point.  wanted all the bells and whistles, you know what I mean.

    Extended magazine, side saddle shell carrier, weapon mounted light, and then that pistol grip stock that had the extra shells carrier built into it. don't remember the brand. looked really cool. right up until you tried to carry it for more than 5 minutes, or had to mount it multiple times on the range and move with it.

    There is a trade off.  and since I never benched 425,  my trade off point was just a bit lower.  :neener

    I've probably still got the thing in a box somewhere downstairs.



    Good question.

    My impression is....defensive shooting requires getting hands on the shotgun and bringing up to bear, possibly maneuvering, in a crisis.  So, some weight is good (like what comes stock on most models)... but not "too heavy"? (I go with 5+1 Security models, 5 extra shells in sleeve on buttstock)
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 12:47:30 PM »
    Well there's a lot of variables. As with rifles, lighter should be faster until you reach a point where recoil overcomes the benefits of losing weight. Also, it's not entirely the weight that's the problem, it's how it balances and not getting so nose-heavy that you can't swing it around comfortably.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 01:20:22 PM »
    My riot gun weighs 7 1/2 pounds unloaded. Around 9 1/4th with the tube and side saddle loaded (guessing here. It was a hair over 8 with no sidesaddle, and I got an Aluminum 6 round sidesaddle on it now.) I wouldn't go much heavier.
    It swings well, keeps the recoil manageable. And stops where I want it to.
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 05:34:25 PM »
    In the article a test was run on straight away clay targets, the shooters involved scored consistently better with heavier shotguns of the same choke constriction. The premise of this  article coincided with my own field experiences ranging from bird to running deer.

    The experience behind this thread:

    Sometime ago, I ran across a discontinued Mossberg 500 heavy contour 18.5" Accu-Choke barrel with a simple brass bead sight. Later, I picked up a Maverick 88 ( lightweight 18.5" cylinder ) to use with the heavier barrel. The superior handling characteristics of the 88 with the heavy contour barrel was immediately obvious. Later adding an older wooden stock with a slightly shorter length of pull, moved the weight and handling quotient up a few notches also.  The heavier set up was remarkably smoother and faster to settle on target!   A set of older Winchoke tubes completed this "Frankenstein" assemblage.




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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 09:04:11 PM »
    Heavier Shotguns are faster?  Faster at what?  Faster on what? 
    The only thing I can see heavier shotguns faster at - is possibly accurate followup shots.  Maybe. But then again, a Browning Maxus is so fast, a quick double tap will stack the impact spreads.
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2016, 11:22:40 PM »
    Without going to extremes of length or weight, in general lighter shotguns, while fast, require more deliberate control to hit with. In my example earlier the extra barrel weight changed the handling dynamics from "flighty" to smooth. Simply easier to hit with because you can focus on the shot - not the gun.

    As Phil Bourjaily put it:  "...light guns are easier to move, but fast-handling doesn’t translate into more hits, or even more speed. Heavy guns are smoother and surer to the target. Light guns are flighty and harder to manage."

    If we were talking about motorcycles rather than shotguns it might be phrased like this:

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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 08:09:55 PM »


    If we were talking about motorcycles rather than shotguns it might be phrased like this:

    "...the bike disappears when you ride it… it’s just you and your will."  George Hill
    That dude is freaking brilliant.  ;)
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 08:30:53 PM »
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    Re: "...heavier shotguns are faster."
    « Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 09:08:57 PM »
    That dude is freaking brilliant.  ;)


    Bravo!   :clap
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