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Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« on: November 12, 2008, 10:00:03 PM »
http://www.troyind.com/m14MCSpage.html
This makes me want to buy an M14 just for this chassis.  That's awesome.
Really expensive... but awesome.
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 10:38:33 PM »
That is spendy, but not that much considering what I have already sunk into my M14S.

It would give my rifle almost enough cumulative linear feet of Picatinny rail to classify it as "tacticool".
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 12:10:36 AM »
It would give my rifle almost enough cumulative linear feet of Picatinny rail to classify it as "tacticool".
I don't know... you need a minimum of 30.
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 12:21:32 AM »
Wanna talk about a modular weapons system? There you go.
The M14 has proven to be surprisingly versatile. However, it is by no means perfect.
Though I kinda do want one...
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 06:39:32 AM »
  Doesn't do anything that the AR10, SR25, Massoud, and FN SCAR Heavy doesn't already do better and for cheaper.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 11:48:43 AM »
Me likey.  Me much likey.
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 03:32:35 PM »
Very cool.  Shame the frame costs as much as the gun its self.  Still...dang cool.
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 06:15:52 PM »
Neither the Massoud or the SCAR-H are on the market though.  Until I see one on the wall of the shop, it's nothing but empty promises and a nice display at SHOT Show.  (I'm still waiting for Kel-Tec's bullpup, too, which was first unveiled at SHOT 2007.  It's been nearly two years.)

Depending on the M14 you drop into the chassis, it'll potentially be more reliable.  The M14 is a battle rifle.  The SR-25 is a match rifle.  That accuracy comes at a price.

(Now, if you go plunk a Springfield Supermatch prima donna rifle in there, this probably doesn't apply. :D )

I don't know about cheaper...at least not with the SCAR.  I've heard a price point thrown around that's close to three grand.

At SHOT 2008 someone had on display a Troy modified M14, complete with M203.  That was a heafty beast!

As for the AR-10...personally, from the things I've seen and heard working in FBMG, I wouldn't buy an Armalite product at all.  The DPMS LR-308 line is great, though, and very accurate.  Different kind of rifle than the M14.

If I was going to accurize an M14 I think I'd drop the coin and get a J. Allen Enterprises stock.  Otherwise, for a regular battle rifle, the standard stock is fine.  Well, the Crane EBR SOPMOD stock is cool (and very well thought out), but it's pretty heavy.

My battle rifle preference remains firmly in the FAL camp, though I admit to a secret crush on the M14.  :P
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 07:29:17 PM »
What can this do that my STG58 cannot? :D
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 09:20:02 PM »
What can this do that my STG58 cannot? :D

Hmm.  Take M-14 mags.

Then again, I am a FAL nut...
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 11:06:25 PM »
  Doesn't do anything that the AR10, SR25, Massoud, and FN SCAR Heavy doesn't already do better and for cheaper.
This has a high Cool content.  Very high.  It has more rails than Am-Track, it's different, and it's not an AR.  It's based on a weapon system that is more than proven its self.
Hate all you want... but could you imagine this with an M1A National Match inside it?  Have your Cake and Eating it too is quite nice.   Now if you could get that National Match chambered in .260... wow.  I'd sell a kidney.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 06:54:42 AM »
  Let's see here, rock in mags that are expensive, less accurate than a .308 AR, more expensive than a SCAR Heavy, and the M14 actually has a less than stellar record of use. 

  For less than half the money you could get a more reliable FAL that takes $6 mags or a DPMS that will shoot circles around it.

  Now if you have a sentimental attachment to the M14/M1A series, that's cool.  Just don't fool yourself into thinking this is a good deal or the best compromise.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2008, 02:48:34 AM »
To me, if I'm buying an M-14/M1A, I don't want it to look like an AR. I want it to look like an M-14. The M-14 is the most beautiful rifle I can think of, second only to the Garand. The resemblance might have something to do with it. If I want a tacticool rifle, I'll do it to an AR. Of course, I don't plan on using it in combat, so those considerations mean very little to me.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2008, 09:28:53 PM »
All I can say is: I got to get me one of those!!! O0


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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2008, 10:35:36 PM »
Nice! Very nice! :)
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Re: Troy M-14 Modular Chassis system.
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 10:36:27 PM »
I think it is kinda neat, but I want an M1A because it is an M1A and it has the best sight ever put on a service rifle.
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2008, 11:42:30 PM »
You know? As much as I like the M14 (and I do), and as much as I am happy to see the old warhorse still making bad people's heads explode (and I am), and as much as I believe that these rail/stock gizmos are a real advance on the original design (and I do), I have to say "...ehh" to all of this. It is an impressive way to refit an aging design, but like most of those refits, the elegance is lost. Look at what we did to our stable of WWII cruisers in the 1960s. Were they more useful? Yes. Were they "well designed" by any definition of the word? Not really. Were they elegant? Haha, no. I feel the same way about this.

What's the weight of all that picatinny? How does it balance? How well does it swing and point?

I'm looking forward eagerly to the designs like the massoud and the scar-heavy. Until then, I'll stick with my STG-58. It has less rails (but it has them where it counts, and it can have more), but I bet it feels better in the hand. If it doesn't, that's fine. I'll gladly eat my hat. And if you like this, that's great, too. That's why we have a diversity of designs.

You know what I'm really waiting for? Someone to take the chassis system (as exemplified by this and the JAE stock), and put it into a stock that has the outward appearance of a USGI fiberglass stock. High accuracy/stability with no need to bed, and it looks like a rack-grade M14 clone. I'd buy two.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 09:09:47 AM »
Agreed on the USGI fiberglass stock look. I recently added the Ultimak rail to my main stick. It's improved the handiness of the weapon tremendously. The She's a little more front-heavy now, but still a great pointer. I'd like a few inches of rail (two or three, tops) on bottom for either a bipod or flashlight, depending upon the situation; but I don't need so many rails that ot ruins the balance of the piece, or that I have to wear gloves to handle it for fear of losing a fingernail.

The M14's super-low sights are great; but make it impossible to co-witness with every setup I've tried. My next experiment will likely be an Aimpoint Micro on Mark LaRue's lowest mount. I'll definitely call first, and get the input of someone at the shop; but it's the best bet so far.

I, too, like the idea of new-generation rifle technology, and would love to see something built from the cartridge up for social application (not a hunting cartridge modified for military application, as the .223 and .308). My concern is that what we have now, will be the best we'll ever get, for civilian consumption, and that the .gov will cut off our supply of rifles and ammunition, that there will be a new and permanent AWB before anything really innovative reaches the market.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 06:49:22 PM »
  Let's see here, rock in mags that are expensive, less accurate than a .308 AR, more expensive than a SCAR Heavy, and the M14 actually has a less than stellar record of use. 

What less that stellar record?! I never heard any one complain about it other than the weight. Granted it didn't last long as the standard issue rifle but, that wasn't because it sucked. I will say I hate buying more mags since they cost and arm.

      Now if you have a sentimental attachment to the M14/M1A series, that's cool.  Just don't fool yourself into thinking this is a good deal or the best compromise.

Yeah I fall in the catagory, I like the M1A rifle.

Not to impressed by the stock though. I guess I just like to keep things simple. I would like to actaully handle on in that stock though. I wasn't impressed with the sage stock untill I handled an M1A in a sage stock. While I still wouldn't get a sage stock I will say it felt a lot better than it looked.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 09:56:04 PM »
What less that stellar record?! I never heard any one complain about it other than the weight. Granted it didn't last long as the standard issue rifle but, that wasn't because it sucked. I will say I hate buying more mags since they cost and arm.


  No less a source than Pat Roger, a Force Recon Gunner who actually carried the weapon in battle and also competed with it.  Start here.

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In the day- when large lizards roamed the earth and the competitive teams used M14's/ commercial equivelant's- a sure fire way to identify a duffer is if he showed up with a SA "super match"- known also as "stupid match".

It may have been competitive in the eyes of the makers, but not for those pressing the trigger.

The M14 has a lot going against it for real world use. As Gary stated above, the location of the safety is an issue. It was the hot tip in the 1930's, but we know a lot more now than then.
The 14 is not an especially accurate gun, due to the way the gun is built- seperate stock, receiver group and trigger group.
I went Distinguished and High Master with a 14, but the armorers were constantly tweaking the guns to keep them viable.

I carried it in combat. I shot it in competition. I have 4 Service Rifles in the safe that haven't been fired in 10 years, and a new "socom" that i got from a recently divorced cop, that is new and unfired.

It is likely that i will never shoot any of them.


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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 11:14:10 PM »
  No less a source than Pat Roger, a Force Recon Gunner who actually carried the weapon in battle and also competed with it.  Start here.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2008, 07:36:19 AM »
  The Reader's Digest version is that the safety sucks, the mag sucks, the weapon had a spotty record in combat, the more your accurize it the more fragile it gets, an out of the box AR will outshoot any stock M14 and most accurized versions.  Not to mention that hilarious moment in time when the Army Marksmanship Unit spanked the Marines and their M14s with M16s all the way out to 1000 yards.

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2008, 01:20:31 PM »
Paper with an M-16 at 1000 yards is one thing.  People with an M-16 at 1000 yards is like throwing rice.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2008, 01:22:35 PM »
Paper with an M-16 at 1000 yards is one thing.  People with an M-16 at 1000 yards is like throwing rice.

  That's a caliber argument, not a design argument.  Try that same argument against an AR10 or SR25.

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2008, 02:07:13 PM »
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the weapon had a spotty record in combat, the more your accurize it the more fragile it gets

but that sounds like you're talking about an M-16 there. There are some people that will swear by the M-14, but I can see that its not for everyone. I've never heard anything bad about its accuracy before.  Granted, I'm sure its not meant for 1000 range competitions.  It was made for combat and that's a very different thing than shooting at a bench at a range.  I say the M-14 must be combat effective because more and more units in Iraq are requesting M-14s.   Accuracy does not equal combat effectiveness.   There are other factors.  Persoanal comfort and familiarity do make a difference as well. 
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